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New Build Kitchen layout

3 years ago

We are building our new home and I was hoping for some advice regarding the kitchen layout. We will be retired when we build this house. The dining room will be primarily for holidays so for the most part we will be eating at the kitchen island. We have our adult children and grandkids over frequently. I really love the idea of a large island that we can gather around and I don’t like the idea of a sink in the island. I’m open to any suggestions as I’ve seen some discussion that a corner wall oven/microwave oven isn’t a good idea.

I’m attempting to attach of photo of the kitchen area….

Comments (21)

  • 3 years ago

    The arrangement of the appliances is not that great with 18 feet between the refrigerator and sink and the dishwasher very remote from storage for dishes, pots, pans, and glasses. You are going to spend a lot of time just walking around to prepare the most simple sort of meal.


    I am not against islands but I don't think this one works particularly well: It's massive, all the storage is going to be of the bend over sort, and two of you are going to be sitting on stools at an overhang to eat on a daily basis perched next to each other. It's a version of the massive dining room table with two people sitting at it, only not as comfortable as a table. (And the overhang is not deep enough especially for something 40 square feet)


    For gathering around as a family, unless a lot of people are fine standing for a long time I feel like a large table would be better, not 5 people lined up along one side getting seats.


    So the functions are too far apart for daily use, and the island is actually sort of in the way of those functions because you are going to be walking around to go to the sink or dishwasher. Some of this could be ameliorated by pushing it out a bit but then it makes a too wide work aisle.

  • 3 years ago

    That’s a very good point and I’m trying to look for a better arrangement for the appliances. I really want a nice big island but I do see that it blocks the flow to the refrigerator. Would moving the refrigerator to the sink wall be a possible solution?

  • 3 years ago

    And also reducing the size of the island?

  • 3 years ago

    It's more complex than that. Moving the fridge to the sink wall would just leave you with a longish run of counter to the left of the cooktop that you would not use for anything.

    I know you imagine this as a big space for cooking with family and such, but first and foremost it has to work for two people on a daily basis as it does for ten on occasional basis and right now with multiple people working in it they would still be crossing over each other and getting in each other's way anyway. You need at least another sink and possibly a point of service refrigerator for drinks or such in something this big.

  • 3 years ago

    Other things you could do:

    1. Push the ref a bit closer to the pantry. It and the micro in the island will have door/drawer issues because the ref door is big. Also maybe rotate the micro or the entire end cabinet so it opens into the pantry aisle - with microwavable containers underneath.
    2. Put a sink in the island - near the micro. so people who need a little water or to dump fluids have a place for that as well as for the cook to use.
    3. Think about dish storage and the position of both micros.
    4. There is no way on earth I'm having my desk in the main living area. My post-its alone would ruin any decorating effect.
    5. Consider doing 30" deep cabinets for the island - with deep drawers. You'll need panels for the back of those cabinets and for the exposed sides - about an inch or two depending on how it's done. That would make the true cabinet depth something like 32" and allow for a deeper overhand at the seating area. The recommended overhang is around 15-18".
    6. If you move the pantry door towards the living room, you could eliminate one corner and have longer shelves. If it were me, I'd have at least the front as actual counter and it would contain my countertop appliances all plugged in and ready to go, including the only microwave. See sketch.

    If this kitchen was for me, I'd probably take a break in the traditional pantry shelving at the countered area and look into perhaps storing a roll around cart underneath too, I am so lazy, why make multiple trips.



  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I'd suggest changing the configuration of the pantry to recess the fridge and a coffee center. Alternate location for coffee center would be the end of the sink counter closer to the DR. Put the oven in the far left corner with an appliance garage in the right corner (if you prefer symmetry on the back wall) or leave the right corner open. Use a hood 6" wider than the cooktop, for more efficient capture of steam and grease.

    I would definitely put a prep sink on the island, for separate clean-up and prep zones. I think you can have a seat on the short side of the island, so at least you and your spouse can enjoy eye contact while dining every day. Seating overhang should be a minimum of 15" deep for comfort at counter height.

    Is the desk an area you will use often? I turned the plan to better fit my program:


    ETA, if you don't want a sink on the island, the fridge needs to be closer to the prep area, which will be between the sink and cooktop. Moving the fridge to the end of the sink wall would make it more convenient to the dining area, and make it easier to access from the living area. In that case you could have two seats on the short side of the island:



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  • 3 years ago

    I like the pantry suggestions a lot. The second microwave drawer isn’t a must for me just a thought we had and I could easily move the location.

  • 3 years ago


    I tried something like this, two separate areas for cooking and cleanup. and an area for a small table for you and your husband on a daily basis. Fridge at the perimeter so accessible without going into the work triangle. Not perfect but an idea.

  • 3 years ago

    Thanks you. I might work this idea a little bit.

  • 3 years ago

    I want to put this into a perspective. I am not disparaging the kitchen because of its size. But I superimposed the entire footprint of my house (red) and kitchen (blue) and size of expanded kitchen to come (green) on top of your plan. It's a high-cost-of-living-area in a dense urban environment, and my house is vertical with three stories + basement. It's not size envy, but a thought about efficiency and planning. My remodeled kitchen will have a separate cook top, a gas oven, an electric oven, a full-sized DW and refrigerator and two sinks with two faucets, and it will function as a two person kitchen (it is now a one person kitchen mostly because of layout.) One of the sinks will be small and often covered but one of the issues has been having only one sink on the entire first floor so there will be two faucets.

    It will never be a gathering place for a lot of people and it will never be a place for communal cooking. Two will be able to work in it, three will be a pinch. But at roughly one quarter of the size of your kitchen it will have every bit of the function of your kitchen for two people on a day to day basis, which is what you need. And I live with an ex chef whose work areas in the restaurant were not any bigger than this (although there were more work areas obviously), so it's not just minimal cooking that will take place. This is just something to keep in mind when coming up with your final plan


  • 3 years ago

    As usual mama goose worked wonders. Her 2nd layout wins my vote. To be clear I don’t hate your original plan either. If you eliminate the corner ovens, make sure you get a solution for that corner

  • 3 years ago

    These are all great suggestions and I’m going to study them pretty closely before we meet back with the draftsman.

    Re: the size. I realize this is a very big kitchen. We are building this home in a very rural county on 10 acres so space is not a problem. Because of the location we won’t be eating out a lot and the grocery store is a good 30 minute drive. My husband is Italian and cooks very elaborate dishes with lots of pots and pans. We have in the recent past had our son, daughter-in-law and children living with us while they had a home being built. We will be storing our daughters furniture and household items while she moves to the UK for her job. It’s a 2 year project. Once she is finished she will probably live with us for a time. We babysit our 3 very young grandchildren fairly regularly and anyone with kids knows how much “stuff” is needed with little ones. I appreciate every one of these comments and suggestions and I’m excited to examine all these layouts. I knew this would be a great place to look for advice.

  • 3 years ago

    I showed my husband these layouts and we both really like Mama Goose’s second plan a lot!

  • 3 years ago

    Just throwing my vote on mama goose's plan. Definitely don't forgo the prep sink. I had a very similar kitchen layout but it was 5 feet narrower, and the sink was too far away.

  • 3 years ago

    I like the idea of a prep sink for
    functionality but don’t really want it on the island. Which is the place it would make most sense….

  • 3 years ago

    In my layout, which is essentially the same as mamagoose's in terms of arrangement of fixtures and task areas but more compact, the one exception is that there are two sinks, the one under the window acts as the prep sink and the one to the left of the oven acts as the DW/cleanup sink. If you go back to your previous island layout our two layouts are pretty much identical except I added the sink and moved the DW.

  • 3 years ago

    The reason I have the clean up sink/dishwasher along the window is to take advantage of the view out the back of the property. Also to hide the messy dishes etc from the view of the living area. I thought about putting the prep sink where you have the cleanup sink but would that be practical? The most practical would be in the island but I’ve kind of had it in my mind to have the island just one solid surface.

  • 3 years ago

    You are going to prep closest to the stove.

    Your experience may vary but we spend a lot more time prepping and cooking than we do cleaning up. We sort of clean up as we go along and "doing the dishes" takes a few minutes. You could put the oven in the far corner as in MG's plan and the second closer to the left of the cooktop and the dishwasher back over by the window, but that puts the DW back within the cooking zone which means that the functions and traffic patterns will be mixed.

    Here is that layout, roughly


  • 3 years ago

    I totally agree with Palimpsest that you'll be better served with the prep sink at the window. You really do spend more time there and most washing up is done at night anyway. In our last house with a small kitchen, our only sink was adjacent to the window and we prepped in front of the window. I loved it. (We are also clean as you go cooks so there were few long stretches at the sink).




  • 3 years ago

    I guess you need to decide how you want to use your island. If it's only for eating/ gathering, then yes I suppose a prep sink there would not be a good thing. If you want to actually use your island for prep, then that's where the sink should go. If your sink is on the perimeter, that's also where you will/ should be prepping, at least if you want to have it be the most functional. 
    I wouldn't put the fridge on the sink wall, as you'd be crossing the cleanup sink to get to the fridge. When you have multiple zones, it would be my preference to have them completely separate.

  • 3 years ago

    Cheri your kitchen is beautiful. I really like it.

    I think I’m pretty sold on Mama Goose’s second plan. The only thing I can’t decide on is a second prep sink. I didn’t feel like I needed one but last night when my husband decided to make a huge pot of lentil soup before we got to the dinner cleanup I saw the advantages. If I go that route I think the island is the most practical. That would let the cook participate in conversation etc with family/guests in the living area and I could still move the “mess” of dirty dishes and cooking paraphernalia off to the side in the clean up sink along the wall.