Thank you, Carol! I'm delighted you have DLFED 2. You are very likely the only one growing it in the country. The DLFED series have been spread around a little in Europe but you and Aquaeyes are probably the only ones here growing any of them. He has DLFED 3, the double mossed seedling. I no longer have any of the original seedlings due to room but I love them. I do have a few of their offspring which haven't died due to neglect.

I’ll take very good care of my very rare DLFED2! I am hoping it will spread a bit so that I can slice off some pieces for potting up someday. Mine is still a narrow plant even though it is several years old. Very mannerly. I haven’t emailed Aquaeyes in awhile, although I’ve been meaning to. When I do, I’ll enquire after mossy DLFED3. I’d love to see photos of that one! If I ever get some DLFED2 pieces rooted, do you mind if I share them with rose friends in my area? And if Aquaeyes has the time and inclination to share a DLFED3 cutting, would you mind if I asked him for one? Carol

I have it as well. It hasn't spread as much as I thought it would. But I love it! I always go and smell it too carol! So very lovely! I think Christopher sent three to people. Carol and I were one, don't recall who the third was, but if I recall correctly, that's how many he had :)

Definitely! Please spread it around to whomever wishes one. That's the only way these things stand any chance of survival. Ralph Moore admonished me years ago to "bring something new to the table. Don't just 'stir the pot' ", so I sought a species which seemed more likely to me to bring something new to the rose gene pool. Fedtschenkoana seemed the perfect selection to me. It "reblooms"; it is gorgeous and it is tetraploid so the ploidy issue shouldn't be a problem. I figured why not recreate the original rose breeding to create the OGR's, only using some American species instead of only European and Asian? Only, Fedtschenkoana resisted everything I tried with it until Orangeade. I'd already raised Dottie Louise, named for Dorothy Crallie who, with her daughter, Laurie Chaffin, owned and operated Pixie Treasures, a magnificent eclectic rose nursery (primarily miniatures but they grew and sold EVERYTHING) in Yorba Linda, CA. Dorothy was the one person who could educate me what the difference between Irish Elegance and Irish Fireflame were as she was the only person I could find who had actually grown both of them. Dottie Louise was half Orangeade and half Basye's Legacy so trying her with Fedtschenkoana was the next logical step. It worked! Then, DNA analysis of Autumn Damask showed Fedtschenkoana was already "IN THERE"! If moss roses sported from Damasks and even Autumn Damask and if I could raise mossed seedlngs using Fedtschenkoana, might mossing be due to Fedtschenkoana? Or, at least enhanced by it? Not all of the DLFED line were mossed, but DLFED 3 is. And, they are all listed and pictured on HMF. DLFED 2 https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.63189&tab=1 DLFED 3 https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.63190&tab=1 I would love to find a Dottie Louise somewhere. I lost it years ago and even though Ashdown reportedly sold plants of it, none have ever surfaced. It's sad how these things vanish...

Thank you for the go ahead on rose sharing, Kim! 🎉 And thank you for the DLFED series background. What a discovery regarding mossing and Fedtschenkoana! I find roses’ propensity toward mossing eternally fascinating. It’s on my list to learn more about moss roses. I wish I could find a really thorough book on the subject, one with lots of glorious photos to accompany the text. It is very sad the way so many wonderful roses disappear. I sincerely hope a Dottie Louise surfaces again someday! In the meantime, I’ll treasure her offspring. Carol

OK, this time, they show Joycie X Basye's Blueberry as in stock. https://roguevalleyroses.com/rose/joycie-x-basyes-blueberry/ Just don't order Joycie Berry as it isn't in stock, though it is THE SAME ROSE.

I sort of feel sorry for them. Because they have MANY roses listed for which there is no information, photos or anything, they have PLANTS which won't sell unless you specifically search for the name. Joycie X Basye's Blueberry is a perfect example, but also, right now, they have plants of these but they won't show up under any search criteria except for the specific name.

Surprise! I didn't even know this was still around! Kim Rupert’s ILC x Sevillana https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.38205

And Purple Buttons, you can search for color, breeder, size and name but if you search for class, nope. No classification is listed. Much the same for the following, except for most of these, there is NOTHING but the name.

Abbaye de Cluny

Montecito

Other Brown Mini

Bit O’ Sunshine (for which I was looking but would never have found as I search for "minis in stock" and this doesn't show up on any search except for the name)

Joseph’s Coat

Souvenir de St. Anne’s

McGredy’s Ivory

Mateo’s Silk Butterflies

Margo’s Sister

Soleil d’Or

Yoshodama’s Rose

Aunt Margy’s Rose™

Tipu’s Flame

Carol’s Favorite Gallica

General MacArthur

Fire N’ Ice

Lavender Friendship

Grandma’s Hat (Barbara Worl)

Lupe’s Buttons

Rainbow’s End

Sourire d’Orchidee

Seafoam

Commander Gillette

California Centennial

Bride’s Dream

Break o’Day

Alec’s Red

Yellow Butterfly

Henry Nevard

Irish Gold (Grandpa Dickson)

Grandma’s Pink

Etoile de Mai

Mrs. Alston’s Rose

Mr. Pomeroy’s Rose

Morey’s Pink

Radway Sunrise

Terry’s Pink Gallica

Kathy’s Rose

Souvenir d’un Ami

The Prince’s Trust

Stelzer Noissette

Jo An’s Pink Perpetual

Fairmont Malton

Duchesse d’Angouleme

Siren’s Keep™

Orange Semi from Pat Ayres

Miss Lowe’s Variety

Chintimini Purple

Sherry Berglund’s Pink China

Red Mini from Paul

Robert’s Wondrous Ruthie™

Katie Lindelli Rose

Hans Christian Anderson

Pride of Tryon

Prairie Breeze

Good Shepard

Dick Balfour

Bermuda’s Kathleen

Rivers’ Musk

Frazer’s Pink Musk

Redoute’s Red Noisette

Pam’s Choice™

Mme d’Enfert

Quietness

RSPI

Dickson’s Red

Mel’s Heritage™

Pink Rambler

Madame Bovary

Ralph Moore’s South African OGR this will show up if you search for Ralph Moore, but nothing else as there is no other information, not even a classification.

Dan Poncet

Cupid’s Charm

Mid Summer Night’s Dream

Barbara Worl (Grandma’s Hat)

Comtesse de Cassagne

Laughter Lines

Red Alert

Hopped on last night and ordered one, kinda excited to see how it does.

What is Kim Rupert’s ILC x Sevillana? And Chintimini Purple?

@Alana8aSC "And Chintimini Purple?"

That has to be the found Gallica/Hybrid China I discovered locally about 22 years ago*. Its a large Gallica type (with China influence evident: clusters of bloom, large arching/floppy habit) with 3" deep smoky purple blooms, not unlike many others of its type. Imagine a color that's halfway between 'Cerdinal de Richelieu' and 'Tuscany Superb': muted dark purple in a slatey/subdued palette. Compared to roses with clear colors, this one looks "dirty" - or how a friend of mine once described 'Cardinal de Richelieu' "the color of day old liver left out on the sidewalk in hot sun"!

*Sadly, the abandoned property where it lived has been cleared in the past 6 months, so the original plant has been destroyed. I still have a large specimen of it in the garden, though.

Found a couple photos of it. The bloom color is quite vibrant, at least until its a few days older.

That is a description I never want to read again. Diane, a liver hater

@Alana8aSC I posted the HMF link in the other post. Here it is, again. Kim Rupert’s ILC x Sevillana https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.38205 What's Sherri Burglund's Pink China? Other Brown Mini? Terry's Pink Gallica? Kathy's Rose? Red Mini From Paul? And all the others for which there is nothing. Not there, not on HMF, just nothing? How many of them are they SITTING on? Guess which ones YOU will receive as "Mystery Roses" so you can start asking everywhere what they are? Just think of how many they just might SELL and not have to maintain forever (or, waste their time and money by dumping them) if SOMEONE had just done the work to assimilate them into their website more than TWELVE years ago when they bought Ashdown's remaining inventory.

@roseseek "What's Sherri Burglund's Pink China?"

I got this from Sheri Burglund many years ago during a visit when she and Barbara Oliva were here. Sheri has this plant labeled:

"Red Bluff Oakhill Cemetary, Leak Grave, MP Carnation-like"

Its very similar in style to 'Oakington Ruby' and other "Victorian" miniatures; tiny blooms of informal double form (hence "Carnation like") on a small-ish plant with a China-like growth habit: branching constantly, twiggy growth, building slowly to its mature size, flowering nearly constantly.

My original plant of it has lived in a 15 gallon pot for nearly twenty years and has suffered much neglect in recent times. It has not exceeded 3.5 feet tall, undoubtedly due to its soil volume constraints. Blooms are borne in clusters of 3-15, and always less than an inch in diameter, quite double, with about 25-35 petals. There is a definite "candy-sweet" scent to the blooms that seems uniquely "China" to my nose. It would be very easy to look at this and think it might be a color sport of 'Oakington Ruby', but the latter tends to have larger blooms and will grow into a larger specimen. (My 'Oakington Ruby' is now about 7 feet tall and easily as wide. I do nothing to it except occasionally remove dead wood)

I probably have photos of the blooms somewhere, but I have obviously not labeled them as such, so searching through 20 years of photos makes it difficult to find one specific image. I'll have to take some photos this year for HMF.

I got Oakington Ruby from RVR last year and like it alot. Didn't know it got that big. May have to rethink where I put it...

@Alana8aSC My 'Oakington Ruby' has gotten this big only because it is in a greenhouse (open at the ends) and so it's protected from freezing and from rain, which would encourage Blackspot, to which it is very susceptible. I had one out in the garden too, and it never exceeded 2.5 feet.

That's more what I expecting! Thanks!

@Paul Barden thank you. I'm glad you were here to supply the information.

@roseseek I'm surprised there isn't already an entry for Sherri's Dwarf China on HMF. Is that something you plan to do? I will take photos of it in the spring for inclusion!

@Paul Barden I can make the page. Would you like to flesh it out with the information? I've never seen the rose and had never heard of it until i discovered it on the list. I even spelled her name correctly! https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.87308.0 

@roseseek I don't have access to HMF pages to edit them anymore. Feel free to use anything I wrote above.

@Paul Barden thank you. I copied and pasted your comments about it to the page. Please do remember to photograph it for the page. If you wish to send me the photos, I'll happily add them, giving you photographer's credit, of course!

My Joycie x Blueberry first bloom! This beauty is sooo fragrant that I went to smell it again and again while I was working in the garden. You really did a great job, Kim.

Thank you @Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a). I'm delighted you're enjoying it!!

@roseseek

Kim, how do you think the disease resistance, especially against blackspot, would be here in the PNW rainforest? Carol

My first bloom of Joycie x Basye's Blueberry looks different from yours @Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a). I just got it this spring, thanks to the description of it on this thread 😁 so maybe it's just because it's still a baby. What do you think? It is intensely fragrant!

@portlandmysteryrose @Paul Barden is the best qualified to answer the question as to health as he pretty much lives in the PNW rainforest. Form can vary due weather and culture. I've seen some with form like @Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a)'s but most of the flowers I've enjoyed in my gardens have been most like @Roz OHzone 6's. I'm not going to declare Feiy's is mis named due to that form.

@roseseek

Thank you! I’ll see if Paul can speak to health in this area. My sister is looking for an everblooming, vibrant, fragrant rose for her new garden, and I thought it might be fun to try yours! RVR says it’s in stock.

@User

Hi, Paul. Can you give me feedback on the disease resistance of Joycie x Basye’s Blueberry? If resistance is good enough, I would like to offer one to my sister recently who bought a house near me. This spring is likely as tough of a blackspot year as I’ve ever seen. The only difference is that 90% of the roses in my current garden are ones that have survived my past blackspot trials, so most are pretty clean. Thank you for any help you can offer with JxBB!

Carol

Thank you, Roz and roseseek. They really look like two different roses. Mine is new to this year too. Hopefully we can compare notes later.

@portlandmysteryrose et al: Unfortunately "Joycieberry" didn't survive once I stopped using fungicides in 2010 - it was heavily impacted by chronic Blackspot infection. (apologies to Kim: I wish I could report otherwise)

Mine always bloomed a medium/deep pink, fully open form (Like Roz's plant). I never saw a bloom that looked like Fiey Lo's. Given that it came from RVR, I would be highly suspicious about its ID. Your bloom looks more like 'Siren's Keep' to me.

@Paul Barden Thank you for the honest info, Paul. Our climate is a fungal challenge, and if more springs resemble this one, our climate is going to become an even more stressful one for many wonderful rose cultivars. My beds are proving to be a blackspot trial garden! I looked at RVR’s photo and really wonder about the ID.

@Feiy Lo (PNWZ8b)

Please do keep us posted about your JxBB! I am very curious to see if the ID is correct. The bloom on your plant is very, very lovely, by the way!

@roseseek

I hope RVR still has correct stock of your creation! Crossing all fingers. Your DLFED 2 is doing well. Unlike past years, it did lose a bunch of foliage to blackspot this spring, but it has already leafed out again—undaunted—and has been giving me lots of those marvelously sweet scented, lipstick pink blooms.

Photo of DLFED 2: magical forest-like charm! A VERY sweetly scently “wild“rose bloom, elegant and delicate elongated bud, and brand new fresh foliage.

Photo: Close up of DLFED 2 bloom. It reminds me of a tiny Apothecary. The foliage is delicate and tinted blue, the canes and branches arch and sway in the breeze, and the stems and edges of the leaves are pink like the flowers!

Thanks for the reminder about this great rose! I jumped in and ordered Joycieberry as well as Brown mini (Paul, I presume you don't have another name picked out?), among other things.

Has anyone gotten a correct "Lauren" from RVR recently? I ordered one a few years ago but it's a light carnation pink and nothing like the deep pink/purple that I see in posts for Lauren. Unless Kim indicates that Lauren can sport light pink, I'll presume this one is "not Lauren" and hope for a correct ID on the one I've placed in the present order.

Here's hoping we get temperatures below the 100s by the time the roses arrive. It has been beastly all June and much much hotter than we usually are this time of year and apparently 1/3 of the US is on heat advisories still this week. Makes me scared to contemplate August with all the drought and wildfires (again...) further west of us. And the PNW is swimming in rain...another year of extreme weather conditions world wide.

Cynthia

@Nippstress Nebraska z5 Cynthia, I have no idea what rose RVR is selling under that name. So, no - it has no other name.

Hi @Nippstress Nebraska z5! Good to see you! Lauren, like any other multiflora based violet rose can respond to alkalinity and heat by fading pink and nearly white. It isn't an issue of sporting, but dislike of heat and alkalinity. Here are some heat responses from Lauren. The first two were in my highly alkaline and hot Encino back yard. The third was in Jimofshermanoaks' Sherman Oaks cooler, damper back yard. Unfortunately, I don't have any flowers currently to photograph here in the coolth but they have been down right violet. If you're getting more "Mlle Cecile Brunner" pink, then RVR has struck again.

Thanks for the quick responses from both of our expert rose breeders on GW! Paul I appreciate the feedback - I'll call it "Barden Brown" for the time being as a working name and see if I can take some photos when it blooms to check if this is identifiable as one of your creations.

Thanks for the great photos of Lauren, Kim! It's great to see the color variations of Lauren and we certainly have alkaline soil and plenty of heat lately. None of the blooms on my plant were as dark or purplish as what you show and not as clustered either. I can't grow Mlle Cecile Brunner so that's not a reference point for me, but the "Lauren" I received was more Olivia Rose Austin or Quietness light pink. I'll try to hunt out a picture for you, but I don't want to hijack your thread either. I'm at least two years behind on documenting photos and it gets rather daunting to process them.

Thanks again!

Cynthia

No worries Cynthia, you won't be hijacking the thread. I'm sorry RVR appears to never be able to get their act together and provide the rose ordered. It's been a chronic issue since they first opened their doors.

This is my favorite thread on houzz. I’ve spent the last year learning all I can about roses, reading all the posts, and gaining experience. Lol I never post, I just read. My joyberry and chintimini purple arrived today from RVR. I plan to try and mix Joyberry with Fairy Moss and R. Californica. Yesterday my first rose seeds sprouted. They are practice seeds from random hips found in the neighborhood. I live about 30 minutes south of BenT, and realize chintimini might not bloom but it’s too pretty not to try. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experience!!

I enjoyed this conversation also. Thank you for bringing it back up in the feed.

The Joycie X Basye's Blueberry rose is still listed as in stock I notice, and there's a picture! I didn't see a listing for Joycie berry either. Some updates have occurred it seems.

What a pretty rose 'Sourire d'Orchidee' is.

@User Any info about the rose listed as 'Red Mini from Paul'?

https://roguevalleyroses.com/rose/red-mini-from-paul/

-Chris

Nippstress - here are tow photos of my Lauren for color comparison. The first one is its most purple (at least in my garden), and the second one is when it was feeling pinker. Same plant, in the same place, so I don't think it is a soil PH issue. Maybe the weather, or shade/sun at different times of year?

Jackie

That's gorgeous, Kim.

@chris209 (LI, NY Z7a) Whatever that is, its somehow become divorced from the information I would have provided when sharing it with RVR. Most unfortunate. I'm guessing its either "Oakington Ruby" or "Red Bluff Oakhill Cemetary" but the latter is pink, not red.

@jacqueline9CA Jackie, I really think it has as much to do with night time temps as much as anything. I've had Lauren for six years now, I think. Her first flush is reliably true purple. Sometimes so is the second. But even though my Lauren pumps out flush after flush, once the night temps rise into the 70s, I can forget purple...she's all about cerise. Shocking, neon, flaming cerise, lol. Not even magenta. Definitely cerise; the brightest pinkish-red imaginable. Then in the Fall, once the night temps drop, even though it may still be in the 80-90s by day, she turns purple/wine, sometimes even grape-ish, again. I love her in all her iterations, and she's one of my mom's very favorites (Mom is 88 and has definite opinions about my roses, lol). I have mine because of your many tempting photos.

Thanks, fig_insanity - I always get great explanations of the weird things rose do on here, and your latest makes sense. I love roses which change color - either when the actual blooms change color over time, or as in this case, where the entire bush can be different colors at different times. When "they" finally achieved what I have seen called "stable" colors in roses after many years of trying, IMO the new roses lacked the excitement and mystery of the older ones which kept providing surprises.

I am happy to hear that you think Lauren's different colors are due to night time temps - we are having (for here) an unusually chilly Winter, and I am looking forward to her first flush, which should be in a month or so - purple!

Jackie

@User Chintimini is mossed? Is that what I see on the bud or something else? It is scented, that unusual smell that is described as balsam.

@Liz 9b Sunset 14 No, its not a Moss. That is normal gland formation on the buds - a trait pretty much universal in the Gallicanae.

I like it! Thank you Paul.

Hi Liz! I just came across Chintimini Purple on RVR and couldn’t find much info on her. Have you noticed if this rose is a repeat bloomer? How wide does she get? Thank you!

• @jean_9b ”Chintimini Purple” is not a repeat bloomer, no. My adult plant is about 8 feet tall and 10 feet wide. (It’s 15 years old)

That’s good to know. Thank you, Paul!

Jean, did you order one? It is a beautiful rose—go for it! Get Joyberry too if you do not have one. She is a repeat bloomer and so lovely!

Hi Liz! I didn’t get Chintimini. I don’t have a lot of space and looks like she can get huge! I'll definitely consider Joyberry for my next order 😊