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Now I've got too many viburnums

4 years ago

So now I've got too many viburnums in the shrub border I'm planning (the sizes and shapes of so many meet all my size/shape criteria, not to mention fragrance, berries, deer resistance, some evergreen, etc) and I'm trying to find one or two other shrubs as replacements (sooo hard to let any of them go, but really!)


So please weigh in on:

Ribes Pulborough Scarlet

Ilex Castle Spire

One of the early spring blooming Hamamelis--Jelena, Primavera, etc


And re 'Castle Spire', would you tuck in two in an 80 ft long border? And is it really deer resistant?

And the Ribes--I know nothing about them except what they say on web catalogs. Is it as nice as it sounds?


Help! I'm really driving myself nuts.


Comments (9)

  • 4 years ago

    West Virginia has some really lovely mountain laurel and native rhodos. Catawbiensis? Pinxterbloom? My guess would be some of the dogwoods are native to you, too.

  • 4 years ago
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    Rust can be significant on some of the Ribes species & varieties, and may lead to late season defoliation. Also, the alternate host is white pine, which can be seriously damaged by blister rust. Not sure how serious it would be on Ribes sanguineum in your area (no experience with this species myself), but this webpage - Ribes Blister Rust - says that the species is potentially "very susceptible". Powdery mildew is another potential issue on Ribes.

  • 4 years ago

    Gardengal, for my 80 ft long border I had 6 large viburnums. Site restrictions require this border to be only only 1 shrub deep, so they're somewhat lined up. It just seemed like too many. I'm trying to get some privacy from the road. I think I'll pass on the ribes--just no idea how it would perform here.


    Sigrid, Oh how I'd love to have rhodies/azaleas/kalmias, but the soil is not really acid enough. And the deer would like the first two much too much anyhow. Deer pressure actually appears to be greater here in town than it was 4 miles down the road in the country!



  • 4 years ago

    I once asked a question on Houzz about ilex (holly) and deer resistance and was told by a Landscaping Pro in a heavy deer area that “American Holly” (don’t know the Latin name) was the only really deer-resistant holly. As for Rhododendrons- PJM is the one variety that deer seem to leave pretty much alone. The one shrub that is totally deer-resistant is boxwood. There is a website by Rutgers University (Google Rutgers deer resistant plants) that has great lists of trees, shrubs, perennials, etc. rated by various levels of deer resistance. Very good and accurate list.

  • 4 years ago

    I think American holly is Ilex opaca, and all the cultivars seem to be large trees.

    Thanks for the info about that list--though of course deer preferences vary and sometimes considerably.

  • 4 years ago
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    What elevation are you, lacey? The only place I've seen a PNW Ribes on the east coast was somewhere in the mountains of NC. I think the lowlands are too hot for them. Even Ribes X gordonianum languished here for me. I am now trying a very rare Ribes native the southeast, so, we'll see. Interestingly Jostaberries do OK here, perhaps because of hybrid vigor.

    (I supposed I could someday try to graft a R. sanguineum on a Jostaberry and see what happens LOL)

  • 4 years ago
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    I am with GG48. I am not sure that there is such a thing as too many Viburnums. No experience with the other plants, however.

  • 4 years ago

    I tend to agree in general that one can't have too many viburnums, but this is a one shrub deep border (no option here to make it deeper) and while it still is mostly viburnums, I've managed to tuck in a couple of other shrubs as well.