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Need help choosing Apron Front Sink! Please :))

13 years ago
We have just ordered our kitchen cabinets. We chose the Ikea Lindigo in White. I ordered a 36" sink base and I was planning on a 30" shaws fireclay apron front sink (so gorgeous!). I have been reading a lot of info on the difficulty on installing the shaws sink since it is handmade and not completely level. I am unsure how it will look to try to alter the ikea cabinet base as it is not a custom cabinet and is made of mdf. I am now considering the Kohler Whitehaven because it is self trimming but do I go with a 36" sink/36" base, 30" sink/36" base or 30" sink/30" base?? The dishwasher is directly to the left of the sink base and there will be a 18" pullout trash directly to the right. Please help :))

Comments (40)

  • PRO
    13 years ago
    If you go to the Kohler website and look at the Whitehaven specs, you should be able to find the installation instructions and it will tell you what size cabinet for the sink.
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    It depends upon how your sink base is made as to which will fit, which is why the installation instructions become important. I am not familiar with Ikea, but most sink bases that are 36" wide would have two false drawer fronts on the top and the frame would have holes cut out slightly smaller than the drawer fronts. If this is the case with the sink base you have ordered, then the 30" Whitehaven sink would not cover the holes in the frame once you removed the false drawer fronts. Generally you would want the wider sink in order to match up with the sink base. You can also order the Whitehaven with either a short apron front or a tall apron front. I believe one is 6" and the other is 9". You have to know how much space you have from the top of the sink base doors to the top of the cabinet in order to know which one will fit with your cabinet. We had a homeowner purchase the 6" for her kitchen and she could have used the 9" and it would have looked better. Just takes careful measuring.
  • 5 years ago

    Hi there! What did you decide on? We are struggling to decide between a fireclay sink and the kohler whitehaven. The latter is so expensive! Really interested in what is easier to maintain. Meaning, which is more stain and chip/crack resistant. Help?

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Fireclay is unsuitable sink material. The Whitehaven has a long good history. Look at the Elkay Quartz Luxe please. Unlike the other two, the color goes all the way through.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @Melanie Lane - I've decided to go with the Kohler Whitehaven. I'd never go with fireclay. too many issues that I've heard of.

  • 5 years ago

    Thanks for your responses! My concern with the whitehaven is the chipping off of enamel and rusting. It sounds to me from what I’ve read that this happens with them after about 5-10 years. Or staining because the enamel has cracks in it.
    I will look at the Elkay Quartz Luxe, however I wondered if it was prone to staining...

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @M L - The whitehaven has a lifetime guarantee.

  • 5 years ago

    Hi Design Girl, yes however my concern is more with the fact that once installed undermount with stone countertops any of these sinks will be very costly and risky to replace. Have you been using your whitehaven for some time now?

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @M L - My remodel hasn't started yet, but have many friends that have it. They all use the rack for the sink and no one has had any problems. However, I understand that even though you'd get a replacement sink if something happened, the replacement would be on you. Joseph Cortlett above is the sink guru and can do anything. I'm hoping if needed I could find someone to do the job. However, it does make me think about a good quality stainless steel under mount.

  • 5 years ago

    Yes exactly! I find it all so annoyingly time consuming, I’ve been doing research on and off for many weeks now and feel no closer to a decision. Stainless steel is fine and I know it’s very durable but I admit I just love the glossy off-white look in an apron sink style! I can’t help it. Then again, a good quality brushed stainless steel sink is less costly and they are probably the least worrisome when it comes to issues down the road...

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @ML - I know - I feel the same way - I'm exhausted.

  • PRO
    5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    " my concern is more with the fact that once installed undermount with stone countertops any of these sinks will be very costly and risky to replace."


    It won't be if you disregard the manufacturer's installation instructions and install the sink with a Pete's Sink Mount Kit. The manufacturer specified wood blocking is difficult to access, the Pesimoki is not. I'd change an undermount Whitehaven in less than two hours, plumbing included, with virtually no risk to the tops.

    Throw those clips that come with the sink in the trash too please. Leaking junk, and if your top is engineered stone you just voided the warranty if you drill the top to install them.

  • 5 years ago

    Thanks Joseph! Helpful info!

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @Joseph Corlett - Will the Pete's Sink mount kit work for the Apron front Kohler Whitehaven or just an under mount sink? I'd feel better if I could install properly so IF something happened it could be changed without damage to my marble.

  • 5 years ago

    Design girl - this may or may not be helpful to you, but the more research I do on how the kohler whitehaven holds up over the years the less inclined I am to get one. For such a speedy investment I don’t want to have to deal with changing it out due to chips or cracks in the enamel. I keep coming across owners saying their sink looks old and yellowed or chipped and rusted not that long into owning it. At that price point I don’t want he headaches. Gah!! They are just so darn beautiful though! All the best with your decision making!

  • 5 years ago

    *Spendy investment

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @ML - That's sad to hear. I also wonder how many of these people take proper care of things? Perhaps they do. I'm a neat freak of sorts and very careful. I'd always use the sink grate. UGH - I really don't want an under mount but who knows. I'll probably spend more for the under mount because I don't want to buy from China.

  • 5 years ago

    @josephcorlett I need a 24-27 inch max size sink. I notice the Elkay Quartz Luxe is bigger and we just wouldn’t have the room. I’ve come across the Blanco Ikon now and am considering that in white. I’m hoping this is quite similar to your recommendation?

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @M L - I've seen that and imo it has a really weird and unattractive apron front. It's angled and looks odd. I'm now debating a nice stainless steel apron front. My current white sink is Corian and it stains quite easily. Forget pasta night, the whole sink is orange. I also notice a lot of gray scratches on the surface from pots and pans. It does clean up with soft scrub but something about the dull white finish is unappealing to me.

  • 5 years ago

    @designgirl which sink do you currently have?

  • 5 years ago

    And I too felt exactly the same as you about the slant on the sink and the finish not being glossy!! Which is why I ruled it out early on. However, the more I see pictures of them installed I don’t feel it’s so noticeable and I’ve been chatting with people who own them and they love them!

  • 5 years ago

    Here is an example

  • 5 years ago

    And another

  • 5 years ago

    One more

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    I've got an integrated Corian sink now. It's been in the kitchen for years and I'll be starting the kitchen reno in March. I just can't get past the slant, but that's me. I don't know if i'd have the same staining problem either. What kind of look are you going for, It could make a difference in your selection.

  • 5 years ago

    Isn’t it funny how barely noticeable the slope is?? I’m impressed anyway haha. I can’t even tell in most pictures of it once it’s been installed! We are going for transitional I suppose. Classic, but with some modern touches and some warmth from wood too. I have pretty eclectic taste ☺️

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @M L - I'm going for transitional as well. White cabinets, marble counters, wood floors. I guess my design eye really picks up on the sloped sides. I've also read reviews that say the the sink chips and scratches easily and that it shows water spots. Who knows, I'm beginning to think a quality stainless under mount might be what I end up with. Cheaper too. Then again, I may just roll the dice on the Whitehaven. I still have a few months to decide. I do know that a stainless under mount is very popular today and will be for years to come.

  • 5 years ago

    I’ve been chatting with some people who’ve owned it for a few years with no issues whatsoever as far as chipping or cracking and for the white a little barkeepers friend cleans it up like new about once a week if you’ve had a lot of sauces etc in there. No water spots on white but probably on the darker ones yeah. I hear you! It seems no sink is without issues entirely. Stainless steel is a popular option for a few reasons!

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    "Will the Pete's Sink mount kit work for the Apron front Kohler Whitehaven or just an under mount sink?"


    It will work very well for the heavy Whitehaven, apron front or not. A strap system works great for lighter composite or stainless steel sinks. A Pesimoki is kind overkill for those especially when they're $300.00 and straps are $4.99.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    " I’ve come across the Blanco Ikon now and am considering that in white. I’m hoping this is quite similar to your recommendation?"


    M L:

    They are similar in that they're both composites, but I have no experience with the Blanco.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    "My current white sink is Corian and it stains quite easily."


    Corian doesn't stain:

  • 5 years ago

    Joseph what do you recommend for cleaning a composite sink? Barkeepers Friend?

  • 5 years ago

    Also, what is the strap system you mentioned would work fine for a composite sink?

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @Joseph Corlett, LLC - Thank you. My Corian doesn't permanently stain, but gets gross quickly as your above pics show. I little elbow grease and some soft scrub and it's all good.


    If I get the Whitehaven, I will definitely get the Pete's kit. From what I understand, it would be easier to replace the Whitehaven apron front if needed with this kind of installation - correct?

    I'd hate to ruin my stone.


    I'm also considering a 12 inch deep stainless under mount to go in my laundry room. Julien Urban Edge Utility Sink 003676 - exterior measurements 31.5 x17.5x12. Should I use the same mount for that. I want a deep sink as we wash the dog there - She's 40 lbs. The sink is more money than I'd like to spend but I couldn't find another one that was 12 inches deep and 30 wide.


    Thank you for all your great advise.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    M L:


    I'd consult the sink manufacturer's cleaning instructions please.


    I use a Hercules Universal Sink Harness from BB Industries, or a Sink Strap or two from Regent Stone Products.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    "From what I understand, it would be easier to replace the Whitehaven apron front if needed with this kind of installation - correct?"


    Correct. Substantially easier. The difference between loosening a couple easily accessed bolts or pulling a dishwasher and unzipping cabinet sides.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @Joseph Corlett, LLC - Thanks - Do I need one for the Pete's for the SS under mount that we need to wash the dog?

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    No, a strap system is adequate.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @Joseph Corlett, LLC - WOW - good to know. I figured a 30 inch wide, 12 inch deep under mount sink with a 40 pound dog in it would need more support than just the straps.