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How to successfully 'establish' Common Milkweed vs aphid issue

3 years ago

Hi everyone! So about maybe 4 or so months ago, I successfully germinated some Common Milkweed seeds. I planted them in very large containers (that's my only option here in NYC, Zone 6b...container gardening...) ...they were in very large containers up on my rooftop.


I had three successful seedlings, and while the plants were too young to amount to anything, much less to get buds or flowers, some of the stems did develop a number of large leaves...with the plants getting up to maybe 5" in height.


I had constant issues with aphids however, and even while spraying the plants with a combo of neem/castille soap/cinnamon powder would kill the aphids, it was really hard keeping up. I'd spray every few days...sometimes a few days in a row...but over time, the aphids won.


So now, it's October 21, and the days are getting shorter. My three 'plants' are now mere sticks. The last of the leaves totally fell off a few days ago...I suspect, due to aphids, vs any seasonal changes.


Because these plants never really got all that established, does anyone have a guess as to whether (assuming all other conditions are normal/good) I should expect these to come back in the Spring, and developing further growth? Or will I likely have to start all over from scratch, this time giving the seedlings more of a running chance, by germinating them earlier in next year's growing season?


Tx!



Comments (5)

  • 3 years ago

    I assume you mean A syriaca (but best to be precise, so people don't have to assume). It has a reputation of being incredibly tough and spreading rapidly. Given that the pot don't freeze I feel it likely it will make it.

    I doubt you're any more likely to overwinter them in pot (which can be tough with milkweed...too wet) by starting earlier or not.

    They will take several years to reach maturity (or that's my experience), I expect some flowers from past years planting (as young plants) in 2023. Of note, if not in full sun, they mature MUCH slower (5 years and counting...but each year they get bigger). In full sun, I estimate 3 years to maturity.

  • 3 years ago

    Milkweeds are weeds. Mine have lost their leaves. I have no doubts about their health. They are growing bigger and thriving more each year (except if I toss the damned things). IMO, there are prettier plants to grow. If you're dousing them in neem or other pest repellants, you're going to repel or kill any Monarch caterpillars, too. So, unless you love the look (which I kind of doubt) or if you're doing it for the Monarchs, I'd plant something else. Zinnias and Cosmos will attract Monarchs. Monarchs will visit many other plants and anything that kills aphids isn't good for caterpillars, so you're doing nothing for them that another plant won't do.


    I have some pearly everlasting, which is a host to Painted Ladies, which look kind of like Monarchs. Their blooms last a long time and I've had caterpillars pupate on my stand. It's another weed, so it thrives.

  • 3 years ago

    Thanks...yeah...I'm doing it for the Monarchs, but seeing as the plants were a mere 5" tall and had only germinated a few months prior, I can't imagine there would have already been opportunity for Monarchs/eggs on my plants?


    I didn't realize that other plants are also host plants for Monarchs? So why all the talk about Milkweed, I wonder?

  • 3 years ago

    They're not. Only Asclepiads are host plants and Monarchs perfer certain ones of those.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Monarchs DO lay eggs on young seedlings. I would stop applying neem which will also kill adult butterflies and any other insecticidal soaps or other aphid killers. Just spray the aphids off with a hose. The milkweeds always drop their leaves at this time of year anyway. There's a good chance they will return next spring. If you know anyone with established Asclepias syriaca plants, see if they would share a division with some tuber attached. It would speed up the process. Milkweed roots need a lot of growing space, so consider planting the seedlings into the ground earlier in the season instead of keeping them in pots for an extended period.




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