I’m a morning person, and naturally wake when the sun comes up. DST is more in line with my natural sleep/wake cycle.

Where we live up North, if they kept it on DST, it would not be sunrise until almost 9 AM! That's way too late to be getting day in the mornings. Our days start super early so we would absolutely hate it! I suppose if a person is a night owl, they would probably want it to be DST all the time. We are definitely early birds in our house!

Standard time year round!

I love the longer days with sunshine in the summer and I hate getting up in the dark in the winter mornings. So I like it the way it is changing twice a year.

In the winter we get down to about 7 hours of daylight in December. The sun doesn’t give two hoots about what the clock says.

LOL It doesn’t matter what end of the day you do things. Make it work for you.

I despise changing the time with a passion.

Where I live now we get right at 16 hours of sun in the middle of the summer. Moving the clock makes no difference here. In the winter it is 81/2 in the dead of winter. It was already seriously dark for us on DST this last week. ST gives us an equally gray morning and evening. I think that would work the best here.

Time is of course completely made up. We can label it anything we like. I have said for years that there is no reason to not just split the difference. Move the time by a half hour and make everyone unhappy.

I am not a morning person and much prefer daylight savings time. The later it's sunny, the better I like it. I've never experienced the "midnight sun" but it's on my list..

It was nice this morning putting out my trash when it was light enough not to need to turn a light on to see going down my steps. Depending on where you are located because of the curve of the earth days are not the same length for everyone in the same time zone. During the winter my niece in Minnesota has a much shorter day length than I do and I suspect people living in Louisiana, same time zone, have a slightly longer day than either of us. I start noticing a change in the amount of pre-sunrise light starting about the end of the first week of December although real sunrise does not start changing until later. Just seeing the promise of more light helps my SAD those years that I am affected. If I had to stumble through two more hours of darkness I think I would have more problems. I would rather just leave it on standard year round.

I vote for Standard all year long.

Changing the time twice a year is a trivial matter that shouldn't bother or inconvenience anyone. Doing so seems to strike a good balance in keeping daylight hours when they're most useful.

I vote for no change.

I vote for no change, It’s one of the few things we can be diametrically opposed about and debate, with few hard feelings either way.

The time change never bothered me. I like utter darkness and I like sunshine. How much of each we get doesn't really matter. I used to HATE that summer days were so long because of the heat. But its hot and humid here in the dead of night during the summertime, so it doesn't matter. I say keep it as is.

Well the switch is not benign: "Daylight saving time takes a toll on your heart. One study found a 24 percent increase in heart attacks on the Monday after daylight saving time starts. Another found the risk of stroke is 8 percent higher on the two days following the time change.

In addition, the number of people hospitalized with AFib — the most common type of irregular heartbeat — surges in the days following the spring time change, according to a 2020 analysis of 6,089 patient admissions at Montefiore Medical Center in New York. "

Since i live in Michigan, i like the time changes.

Yes to Annie D.

What are those of you who don't mind the change thinking when people die because of it. You dont die so it is OK? Here Children would be waiting on the side of the highway in the dark if we stayed on DST in the winter. OH WELL? Who cared if some small number of children are hit by cars waiting for the bus. Or how about the people who do in fact die of medical issues because of the stress. Well You don't have a problem so how could there be a problem? That is so American. Who cares. It isn't me.

I lived unhappily through year-round DST in high school, and no, I did not like standing at the bus stop at 7:30 in the morning with a flashlight. The question at the top of the thread is, should we abolish DST and have standard time all year. I like that it is light in the morning, but not that Sunset is at 4:48. In summer, I used to be taken by surprise that it was dinner time, because it was so light out.

And good golly, a person can have a personal preference for goodness sake. It’s not that we don’t care about others. Jeepers. We travel across time zones, too. Time is a weird construct.

Kids here go to school in the dark and come home in the dark during much of the winter. It’s all what you get used to.

🙂I believe some of them even have to walk uphill both ways. They manage.

eta In the summer sunset isn’t until almost 11 PM and there is pretty much a twilight through the night until sunrise at about 5 AM.

I think, as Lars said, it makes a difference what you prefer, for various reasons, because of where you live.

" One study found a 24 percent increase in heart attacks on the Monday after daylight saving time starts."

Is the same true at airports for the millions of people each day who arrive after crossing at least one time zone? No, of course not. That's far more evidence than one random study with such a ridiculous finding.

We will not be making this decision for ourselves but for everyone. We actually need to consider that.

As I understand it, the government is planning to keep us on DST year round beginning next year. This concerns me. Though I don't really like it, I think that changing it twice a year is really the only practical choice because our schedules don't change if it's winter or summer so the clocks need to so we aren't having to go to work or school in the dark. Like I said, where we live, the sun wouldn't rise until almost 9 AM on the shortest day in the winter if it stayed on DST all winter long. Maybe the government can convince employers to start their businesses at 10 am...HAHA!

Well, they could compromise and set the clocks ahead by 30 min and just leave it there. No one says it has to shift by 60 min.

Actually elmer, the reference was to 3 different studies. And yes, jet lag, workers with changing shifts and other circadian rhythm disruptions do lead to an increase in cardiovascular risk as well as elevated levels of cortisol which can lead to higher bp and blood sugar levels, and memory issues.

This is an exhausting subject. Every 6mos it gets discussed. Nothing ever happens. In my world we call that beating a dead horse.

That "Old Indian" in the meme above is correct...and I doubt that he trusts any blankets issued by the government.

The "Old Indian" didn't give a hoot about clock time, instead would follow the natural rise and set of the sun -- sort of like DST is meant to do.

My understanding is that some states have chosen to not change clocks twice a year, but because my state (Virginia) is sticking to Standard/DST I haven't paid attention to who is doing what.

" so we aren't having to go to work or school in the dark. "

Why not? It's one or the other for almost half the year -- either I go to work in the dark, or I come home in the dark.

I live in north Missouri and I like changing from standard time to DST and back.

Last Friday when I left the house for my walk at 7:30 a.m., it was quite dark. I don’t like that. Today, with DST, at about 7:00 a.m. the sun is coming up.

"Nothing ever happens"

Not really. The Senate approved a bill in March, called the Sunshine Protection Act to make DST permanent and it's now in the House waiting for approval before sending it to the Pres. to sign. If passed it might start in Nov 2023.

From wikipedia:

1973–1975: Year-round experiment[edit]

During the 1973 oil embargo by the Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries (OAPEC), in an effort to conserve fuel, Congress enacted a trial period of year-round DST (P.L. 93-182), beginning January 6, 1974, and ending April 27, 1975.[15] The trial was hotly debated. Those in favor pointed to increased daylight hours in the summer evening: more time for recreation, reduced lighting and heating demands, reduced crime, and reduced automobile accidents. The opposition was concerned about children leaving for school in the dark and the construction industry was concerned about morning accidents.[16] After several morning traffic accidents involving schoolchildren in Florida, including eight children who were killed, GovernorReubin Askew asked for the year-round law to be repealed.[17]

Over three months from December to March, public support dropped from 79% to 42%.[17] Some schools moved their start times later.[17] Shortly after the end of the Watergate scandal caused a change of administration, the act was amended in October 1974 (P.L. 93-434) to return to standard time for four months, beginning October 27, 1974, and ending February 23, 1975, when DST resumed.[16][18] When the trial ended in October 1975, the country returned to observing summer DST (with the aforementioned exceptions).[10]

The American Academy of Sleep Medicine endorses eliminating DST and they claim their position to have been endorsed by:

• American Academy of Cardiovascular Sleep Medicine.
• American Academy of Dental Sleep Medicine.
• American Association of Sleep Technologists.
• American College of Chest Physicians.
• American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine.
• National Safety Council.
• Society of Anesthesia and Sleep Medicine.
• Society of Behavioral Sleep Medicine.
• World Sleep Society.

Sunshine Protection Act? I thought they were getting rid of sunshine because of global warming.🙄

It's ONE hour. Has anyone ever travelled outside of their time zone before? ONE hour. Twice a year. I never EVER notice a difference. And yes, we do have a pet.

" Has anyone ever travelled outside of their time zone before? "

Yup, and the older I get, the harder it is to compensate. I wonder if age has anything to do with people's choices.

Have any of you who love DST noticed the results of Lars' poll? There is gradually less daylight in the evening in the Fall before DST even ends. After December 21st, there is gradually more daylight as we head towards Spring and by March 17th we gain almost an hour more daylight naturally and without changing our clocks. I wish people would learn about natural fluctuations in daylight and darkness, and give up the idea that changing to DST permanently is going to give us more daylight year round. The Old Indian was right.

I believe Arizona and Hawaii don't change to DST, and if it works for them it should work for the rest us.

I wonder if age has anything to do with people's choices.

What do you mean by "choices"? Whether or not to travel in another time zone? I'm 63 and travelled to BC and didn't notice a difference. Came home and nope! No difference. I think it's all in peoples heads. I know animals are different but humans? I think Alberta started doing DST back in 72/73, I know it was before our family moved to BC. So, it's been about 50 years. The only time changing time zones affected me a LITTLE bit was when I came home from The Netherlands. It's an 8 hour difference. Going there was no problem, strangely enough. My plane landed at 3:30 in the afternoon Dutch time, and I had been wide awake about 20 hours at this point. I went to bed at 11:30 that night and woke up at 8 Saturday morning and was fine. Coming home was another story. Again EIGHT hours difference. It took me four days to turn my day back. One hour twice a year? A walk in the park. I think if all the clocks in your house change time by themselves, you probably really won't notice the difference. It's like going to bed an hour early one day, as we all do. Or staying up late one night as we all do now and then. We might be sluggish for that day but the next night you go to bed and by the next day you're good to go again. Which reminds me, my microwave and stove still need to be changed... ;)

" The American Academy of Sleep Medicine endorses eliminating DST "

I hope you realize this is a political statement and not a biomedical or scientific one. Have they also issued a statement discouraging West<-> East travel and suggesting people restrict movement to North<->South?

" I believe Arizona and Hawaii don't change to DST, and if it works for them it should work for the rest us. "

If it works for 48 states and doesn't work for 2, I think there's an obvious conclusion to reach and it's not what you said.

" What do you mean by "choices"? Whether or not to travel in another time zone? "

No, I meant choices about living with or without the time change, LOL

Time zone changes mess me up too. I am very much a creature of habit, and function best on a regular, repetitive schedule.

I'm getting confused. Do people want DST all year, or do they want standard time all year? Or, do they not carecare whiwhich, they just want to pick one and stick with it?

" I'm getting confused. Do people want DST all year, or do they want standard time all year? Or, do they not carecare whiwhich, they just want to pick one and stick with it? "

Yes.

choices about living with or without the time change ... Toronto Vet, now that I'm retired (and therefore somewhat elderly) it's MUCH easier to deal with the time change. It's not the years, it's the freedom to sleep in :-)

https://jcsm.aasm.org/doi/10.5664/jcsm.8780

i get more done in a day on DST, even being 'retired'

Your citation remains more a political matter than scientific. This association is like the AMA or the ABA, it's the industry association of practicing doctors in this specialty whose main mission is to promote the business and political interests of its members. There is a publication for peer reviewed science-based studies in the sleep field and this isn't it.

Bragu, why? What makes the difference for you?

Elmer, if you looked at the article you would see it contains many citations to published studies. I mean, what on earth do they have to gain or lose politically or otherwise by taking a stand on this issue? It's only because they see a negative health impact of the time change that they bring this up. And it is an association of medical doctors who specialize in this field. In past posts, you've always talked of medical doctors as the be all and end all when it comes to healthcare. But apparently not if you disagree with them...

Thought you all might enjoy this: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CkTl0RIjqXb/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link 

It's a trade association that can pick and choose what it wants. It's a political position. Not for the first time and probably not the last, you've mistaken a Google word search match for "knowledge" or insight. That doesn't happen until search results are assessed and put into place and context. As we know from what has happened to certain parts of the media, with careful looking, anything can be "proven" or demonstrated.

The respected and apolitical journal in the field in which peer-reviewed work is published is entitled Sleep.