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Installing new kitchen in flip house. Need ideas pls.

3 years ago

Hi, Houzzers,


Here’s my dilemma: We had a major fire in our 1915 brick four square style home (2000 sq ft.; the kitchen is 10x12+-) . Now it is gutted and we are rebuilding to sell it.


I would like to know what young people are looking for in a new kitchen. Colors? Appliances? Counters? Cabinets style? iKEA, Semi-homemade? what else? Keeping in mind we will sell the house and we need to keep our reno modest price wise. This is not a luxury property, more like for young professional types just starting out.


Is everyone sick of Shaker? White? Hardwood floors through out including kitchen and powder rm? Open shelves out or in now? Black, brass, stainless steel hardware?


I am old, and nobody is interested in what I like, but you can bring me up to date. Any thoughts? Thank you.



Comments (34)

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    This question is just to vague. We need pictures, budget many things a re needed to even begin to help.Nice pic if the house but what you are asking is what to do inside so we need pics of inside .

  • 3 years ago

    This is not a luxury property, more like for young professional types just starting out.


    That means your neighborhood is mainly young professionals.

    How does your house compare to others in the area? The kitchen in the other homes look like what?

    You can to to zillow.com or other sites like it to see what's on the market.

  • 3 years ago

    It’s a beautiful house. I’m sure replacing everything to make it marketable is a daunting project. Best of luck.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Patricia, The inside is gutted, like I said. you can see the kinds windows and the style of the house. The kitchen is 10x12.

    I am asking what young people are looking for in a kitchen these days. Not looking for what we old folks think would be nice or practical. I want to hear about Dreams, imagination, style, and the latest trend in sources. I don’t need help with floor plans per se, or budget.

    Since I am old and I have remodelled a lot of kitchens in all price ranges in different kinds of homes what I need is input into what young people like/want. Their vision.

    Thanks, anyway, for your response.

  • 3 years ago

    I would do one of two things or both: visit the MLS or realtor.com or similar and see what is listed in your zip code and pay close attention to houses of similar size and those that have been renovated and see the styles. also search for recently sold in the last six months to one year. My second thought is contact a realtor you trust in the hyper local market and see their opinions on what the target buyers would be interested in. for me i would want something closer to the original look (wood cabinets) but white shaker could be more popular in your area, so i really dont know what would be desirable in your area.

  • 3 years ago

    Ya sorry but HGTV IS NOT the way to decide what 'young people want' !! It's the way to know what advertisers are trying to SELL!!. My three are young professionals. They want a mix. All three something different. New DIL would love white cupboards. Oldest daughter wants the two tone green on bottoms white uppers. Appliance color doesn't matter--as long as they match. They all do not appreciate a 'fridge that is too large for the space!! They thought they wanted wood floors until they began living with them. They ding up, are loud acoustically and in the end need a carpet over top. Decorating for the unknown OTHER is a thankless job. Go with your gut, go as neutral as possible and don't break the bank. Builder's grade all the way. Chances of your choices being JUST THE DREAM your buyer has are pretty slim. They will spend a lifetime making this house their home.

  • 3 years ago

    "young people" just bought a house a few doors away here and did the kitchen themselves....they got a deal from the long time owner who decided to downsize and sell quickly w the help of a good realtor found this correct couple to take on several projects including foundation work. Speaking w a realtor can probably help you the most. A kitchen that needs to be done can be a plus. you might consider setting out in the garage an appliance package ready for use....standard sizes/ all matching. Just off hand ......10 by 12 kitchen in larger home seems on the small side.......perhaps cut through or remove a wall ...... but these things might be best left to the next person.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    What you do is get a kitchen designer. Independent. This is a person who can separate fad from mega trend. Because those two things are very different. She will have a contractor. You have a budget, and it isn't about YOUR tastes, it's about some unknown soul and their tastes. There is no one answer but this: You will NEVER EVER please every and all possible buyers.

    People of any age like a thing well done. Attractive, useful , functional.

    Quality materials - not over the top, but skip the junk.

    A shaker door or a slab front? Painted or wood? Shaker is good either way, slab is best in a light wood/pale oak.

    Counter tops? A totally PLAIN black granite honed, a soapstone, a quartzite, a quartz.

    A gas range with at least the look of high end.

    A stainless hood. A stainless EVERY appliance.

    Drawers versus doors on lower cabinets, excepting a sink base. No added goo gaw inserts. A pull for hardware on every bit of it, versus knobs.

    ONE FLOOR throughout the house as much as possible. Laundry and baths can be exempt. No wall to wall carpet anywhere. An engineered floor, in a medium brown warm tone. Even an LVP ( luxury vinyl plank.)

    What's my point? Get an interior designer. she will have a kd. You explain CLEARLY...it's for re sale. You want the entirety of the house to flow, and be current, but eschew fly by night fads. You haven't kept up. You lived in it for years and it was fine, and perhaps very, very...........not current looking at all. Current does NOT mean the latest darlings such as floating shelves, tile to the ceiling where water never goes. ....matte black hardware, to name a few.

    You want the wide , wide, wide, appeal to an under forty audience you've never met.

    That's the way to go. Get a team, because you are out of your depth. Otherwise? Auction it off as is to another flipper.

  • 3 years ago

    If you still have proper floorboards, or can replace with floorboards, please do so. Am so over luxury vinyl floors in any colorway.  Rebunky has been astute with her observations! 


    If I can offer any assistance it would be that the rooms flow well and that the overall scheme is co-ordinated from room to room and between floors. What we patched together in furniture and fittings as funds allowed is not ' de rigour' these days, it's having a consistent and overall scheme both colorwise and in furnishings!

  • 3 years ago

    Have you looked into selling it as is? Renovating throughout will be a huge project, and you have to love doing it or it will feel like a mighty thankless chore. Otherwise, selling the shell to somebody who *does* love renovation might be a better choice. I'd snap it up in a heartbeat if you lived near me.


    If not, then I agree with the advice to look at interior pictures of comparable homes in your area. Go as simple and broadly appealing as posslble. Yes to wood floors and white cabinets. Yes to a kitchen designer. For sure, expensive new finishes that make a poorly functioning kitchen will be worse than leaving the space empty in terms of value for sale.

  • 3 years ago

    I somewhat agree with acm point, but wonder if there would be insurance payout implications?

  • 3 years ago

    I would sell “as is”. Yes you will get less money, but you won’t have all this work and expense. Do check about the insurance payout first, though. You don’t need all this stress, expense, and uncertainty. You could spend all the insurance money and more and still not be able to sell the house. You will probably spend more than the insurance money to restore the house.

  • 3 years ago

    Surprised no one has mentioned talking to a few local realtors. They will have the best information on what kitchen styles are most popular in *your* area.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    IMO there is no way to please everyone any way. I am all for doing something different in side compared to outside but rebunky has watched too much HGTV. I have 3 kids and they agree on nothing design wise and I am a designer. There is no way you can do this anyother way that what you love. A classic white kitchen is lovely will suit the house and loo awesome. I agree the hardwood would be a plus . The fact is you need to talk to realtors in your area. I also agree if at all possible sell as is

  • 3 years ago

    I’m confused - it’s not a flip? Why are you calling it a flip? Don’t you have an insurance policy that is covering damage from the fire? I would start with the budget and see what mid-range cabinets you can afford. Keep them simple and NOT gray or another color. Keep the design simple. Countertops and appliances are easy to change, so don’t use anything high end. It’s really hard to make suggestions when we don’t have pictures or a budget. Make the kitchen functional, open and efficient. The buyer can change the finishes later.

  • 3 years ago

    Gorgeous house! You might want to look at homes for sale in your area. Keep track of what has been sitting on the market and what is going fast. (You can set up a search in Zillow and get alerts.) Local realtors are a good source too, but be aware that they'll likely start pressuring you to sign up with them (if my experience holds true for you.)

  • 3 years ago

    Stephanie yesterday did suggest talking with with a realtor.
    I don’t suggest you can just trust anything a realtor would say— they’re trying to sell as many houses as quickly as they can. But, some if the questions you’d like to explore are, 1) what’s the market and selling price for as- is — will it be really low- ball to “ flippers” only, or a little better for selected buyers who really want that neighborhood & have resources to make it their own, but have to get a realistic price; 2) what would be estimated selling price for renovated house at builder - grade installations , and related questions, like partial renovation vs whole house.
    The rising interest rates are bad for buyers, so you could price yourself out of the market, since sellers are lowering prices ( in some markets) because buyers can’t make the mortgage payment on houses that would have seemed reasonably priced before . Plus you take on a lot of risk getting work completed, supply chains, endless choices and cost overruns.

    I agree that if there are insurance payment conditions then that’s a real consideration, and so question might be, what use of that $ has the highest return. Hence realtor questions because getting “ free money” does change the ROI compared to when a homeowner is using savings to do repairs etc and may only get some fraction in return- except also for some sellers there’s a calculation about quicker sale, which might be necessary for various reasons even if up front it’s losing some money.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Since you've said you are "old" 3 times in this brief thread, why don't you sell it as is, and leave the renovations to someone younger or someone who flips houses for a living? The project as you've described it - rebuilding an entire house that has been gutted - is at least an 18-24 month project, and will involve not only renovations but bringing everything up to code.

    There will be a lot of aggravation, stress and challenges involved. I don't consider myself "old" (though who knows, I might be the same age as you), and I would not touch this gutted-house project and have it on my back for the next two years. I'd sell it and move on with my life.

  • PRO
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Amen to above. I'd dump it. Unless you believe it is worth over a million, and two full years of DIY. The kitchen is the least of the issues. Baths, circuit boxes, plumbing, wiring, flooring and in the best scenario, with a ton of design help making a cohesive whole inside? No . It would be easier to build a new home basement to roof.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Also, to add to my previous comment - don't forget the "cost of carry". For the next two years, while renovating, you will have property taxes, utilities, heating and A/C, and I assume a mortgage. And it doesn't sound like you will be living there if it's gutted.

  • 3 years ago

    Neutral is a smart way to go, white cabinets or light wood cabinets are pretty versatile for different design styles. I would also recommend neutral flooring. Lots of white walls! This way it’s like a blank canvas for who ever moves in.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Presuming you want to proceed, as ever in resale neutral is your friend. You also want to work with the style of the house. The current formula- full overlay white shaker cabinets, 'marble' counters, white subway tile, and hardwood floors will work great with the style of the home.

  • 3 years ago

    I would think something in this style would be appropriate and sought after.

  • 3 years ago

    Agreed to do mostly white

  • 3 years ago

    Love what everyone has said - my advice is to be disciplined and use as few materials as possible, all hardwood in the main areas if you can, consistent simple cabinetry, stainless appliances - simple classic light fixtures if the originals have been stripped out (Etsy is a great source) -


    I have updated many older homes over the years and they usually shine with thoughtful simplicity as they have graceful proportions and nice architectural detail - it’s a beautiful home - i am jealous, I would love that project!

  • 3 years ago

    I guess I’m still confused.
    OP, is whole house gutted ? Isn’t that a huge project for a flip and how to come out ahead without using lowest quality or putting in a lot of DIY ( hence so many questions about selling as- is, to buyer who might be able to do project over time ) . Perhaps question focused on kitchen because that is the area you feel least knowledgeable about?
    I don’t know enough about the budget and comps.

  • 3 years ago

    How many months will it take to do all the work involved? Can you hire the design work and the construction crews you will need? Do you have any remodeling experience? Are you financially able to cover a 10 or 20% cost overrun? Sell the house as-is and get on with your life. Someone else can do all this planning, working, deciding, shopping, struggling. Sell it.

  • 3 years ago

    There are so many things to consider. First is your local market. Watch a few homes and see how quickly they are selling. I have 2 nephews and 2 nieces that have recently purchased their first homes and a nephew who is in the market. None of them are as superficial as the HGTV House Hunter buyers.


    They weren't looking for a white kitchen or stainless steel appliances, they were looking for the nicest home they could buy based on their ability to pay that was within their geographic boundaries.


    Each had different top priorities, different budgets, different geographic areas.


    The other thing I often reminded sellers when I sold real estate was that you don't need to appeal to all the buyers - you need one buyer to fall in love with your home.


    When I sold my last home several realtors who wanted the listing told me all the things I should change to make my home sell faster. Instead of spending a bunch of money trying to make my 50 year old home look like the new builds a few miles away, I kept my bolder colors and marketed my home as family friendly with a large lot. My yard was 4 times the size of the new homes. My house sold in 3 days at full price when the average market time was over 30 days.


    I love the idea that some of the others suggested of offering the buyer the option to finish the home to their taste based on an allowance to complete that renovation with their choice of cabinet colors, counter tops and flooring.


    Any one of my nieces and nephews would have loved that opportunity.


    If insurance demands that you complete the work I would want to target a warm and welcoming interior. The outside of your home is beautiful and has that feeling of days gone past where friends and neighbors were always welcome and hot coffee and sweet treats were always in the kitchen.


    I would not go overly cool or modern, but would look more for the warmer, creamier whites and neutrals and wood. Mid toned wood / wood look floors (depending on your budget and what the other homes in your area have), and lighter wood cabinets.




  • 3 years ago

    Sell it! It doesnt sound like you enjoy interior design or architecture (‘old’ has nothing to do with this—Anna Wintour is in her 70s) and dont want to take on the expense of remediating fire damage.

  • 3 years ago

    Hi, I'm your target demographic!!!! Just a sample size of 1, but I've been doing a lot of Zillow browsing in anticipation of hopefully buying next year. Here's what immediately makes me say "ewww, cheap flip":

    Grey, grey, grey, especially grey floors

    Lower cabinets (not drawers) in kitchen -- tells me they were only thinking of bottom line, not function

    Trendy tile jobs

    Nonsensical layout

    What I'm looking for:

    Function, function, function (see: kitchen cabinets instead of drawers, grrr)

    Nothing I'll have to rip out in the next 5 years b/c too "trendy"

    Good luck!

  • 3 years ago

    What price range for the house? There's a big difference in expectations between young professionals who buy in the $300K market compared to the $1.5M market.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Design for the AGE of your house...make it look like it fits. No IKEA in that house.

    My house is 1925 and here's a photo of it.

    Plain & Fancy Kitchen - Dayton Ohio · More Info


  • 3 years ago

    I hear you. I am old, too. Your house is fabulous! And on a corner lot, too.

    First thing I would do is choose a realtor. Rather than second guessing what strangers would want in the house, buyers might look at it, as is, as a great opportunity to make the house theirs. Restoring the house is going to cost you how much? It's possible to sell the house in the state it is in...noting that in your listing price.

    We wanted to down size. We knew the neighborhood we wanted. Found a house with great bones, but the interior was in bad shape. Seller's broker put the house on the market, pretty much as is. We jumped on it because we wanted to do it "our way".