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Clematis x texensis 'Graveyte Beauty'

3 years ago

So...in Jan 2021, I ordered this clematis. It flowered with perhaps 3 blooms the first year in mid to late summer (as it should). Last year, it flowered in May fairly well and wasn't deadheaded (yes, I'm typically lazy), and no more flowers for the rest of the year.

I saw it had emerged today and I *believe* the terminal buds with flowers are already in place. I bet the silly thing flowers in April this year. Given that I can't prevent how early it flowers, do you think it would behoove me to dead head and see if it produces more flowers in what should be it's proper season. Always love how the plants don't read the books.

Comments (12)

  • 3 years ago

    One normally does not deadhead clematis.........the fluffy and often twisted seedheads are an attraction going into winter :-)

    Do you hard prune it each spring? Texensis and the texensis hybrids ('Gravetye Beauty' is a hybrid) are type 3 pruning group or hard prune because they flower on the current season's growth. Not pruning down to the second set of buds leaves a lot of dead or dry looking lower old growth with reduced flowering only at the top of the vine.

    It is not too late to hard prune now. There is still more than enough time for the vine to put on a lot of new growth and still flower well in its typical midsummer into fall period.

  • 3 years ago

    Texensis (for me at least) is completely die-back. No need to prune at all.

  • 3 years ago

    Dying back is not the same as no prune :-) The vast major[t of clematis are not evergreen and so appear to die back completely each winter. But those dead looking stems a=re still very much alive!! They will produce buds for new growth up and down the stems but often concentrated at the very top

    Can you provide photos? That would help with us explaining where to cut back. And while I rarely recommend YouTube for any gardening advice, this one is quite accurate and pertinent" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTNzeYDIDvs

    btw, deadheading a clematis does not encouraged additional flowering. That is due entirely to the type of clem it is and how well one follows the recommended pruning methods. Most are not rebloomers.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I call deciduous what is persistent growth. but not evergreen. Texensis dies COMPLETELY to the ground and reemerges as new stems from the underground crown, ie growth is herbaceous.

    I don't need a pruning lesson.

  • 3 years ago

    Fine. Do whatever you like. I have been growing and selling clematis for many, many years (worked for a wholesale clematis grower for a period of time) and thought it would be helpful to you to explain how to prune a type 3 clematis for the best performance and maximum flowering. Apparently that is not a primary concern.

    " Texensis dies COMPLETELY to the ground and reemerges as new stems from the underground crown " That is not the way type 3 clems typically grow. While they may well develop new shoots annually from the root crown - mine often do - they will also push new growth from the seemingly "dead' stems of the previous season.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Considering that plants do not read the books, it is possible that some year it might retain a stem...but they have always fallen as surely as a perennial grass stem for me, and typically by December or January are not even standing and attached to crown.

    All that I've grown of the viorna group behaves this way (no persistent above ground growth).

  • 3 years ago

    Complete dieback to the ground is not a normal process for this clematis, which is exceedingly cold tolerant (zone 4). So it should not be experiencing cold damage accounting for the total dieback. Wind perhaps and not tying securely to a support system?

    " All that I've grown of the viorna group behaves this way (no persistent above ground growth). "

    That is not the typical manner of growth for these either. The only clematis grower I know that experiences periodic full dieback on any type of clem lives in a chilly zone 4. And even then full dieback is not a annual occurrence but only in the coldest winters.

  • 3 years ago

    Ok, I'm a psychic. My vine has the first flowers open (and it is STILL April).

    I also confirmed the growth pattern with a specialist grower in confirming I am not crazy (despite what some may think). I just wish mine would slide to what is the advertised bloom period vs the bloom period of a spring ephemeral (even though foliage is retained all season).

  • 3 years ago

    My vine has the first flowers open (and it is STILL April).


    Ay caramba @dbarron!



  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I guess a [;amt just has to do what a plant has to do...even if it doesn't fit my gardening desires. :( At least it's happy and healthy.

    And I'm watching a clematis in between my yard and the neighbors (unknown but of hybrid origin)....it's budded and I want to see what it becomes (apparently a random seedling, I've lived here 10 years and it's never been noticed before).

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    NHBabs, I don't see I have much choice. I doubt a stern talking-to would faze it.

    It gave me two spurts of flowering this year, one in April or early May and the other sometime in mid June (which is maybe sorta like summer flowering?) :)

    And thanks Babs for the 'you're not crazy' *lol*, growing a plant is quite different from researching it on the Internet. About half the descriptions refer to this as a type 3, and others correctly state it's a herbaceous plant (non-woody) as all/most of it's group are.

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