To confirm the diagnosis — Dr. Huey doesn‘t have the Munstead scent. Nothing does.

what i cut off was scentless.

Loving the color, we bought Munstead the year it came out, here.

That plant must have NEVER been "de-eyed" because from the beginning, it put up little topgrowth, but a veritable forest of 'Dr. Huey' suckers. Over, and over, and over we removed those suckers, but, in the end, we gave up and removed the plant, and sent to to the trash.

And, you know, that was the last Austin we ever bought.

Suckers occur for a variety of reasons. What appears the most common is the stock buds under the scion weren't sufficiently removed/destroyed. Add that Dr. Huey is IMMORTAL and that can lead to a seemingly unwinnable battle. The second cause I have encountered repeatedly (and I KNOW isn't the case in your garden) is from "gardeners" creating "dust mulches" by "cultivating". Landscrapers LOVE to have their workers "cultivate" as it requires no training or expertise and it adds considerable billable hours at no cost to them. Anything which breaks the feeder roots not only admits crown gall bacteria but provides perfect opportunity for each one to sprout into forests of new Huey plants.

That's "Dr. Phooey" alright. The understock is taking over the grafted scion. Good luck stopping it now that its started.

I hate 'Dr. Huey'.

One does not cut. One pulls. Yank the entire thing right off.

I’m a little out of my depth.

Jeri, what does ”de-eyed” mean?

Roseseek, I don‘t remember noticing any stock buds when i received this plant — I bought it from DA in Texas — but then I was a total newbie at the time and I wouldn't have known to look.

Paul, glad to know we are both Huey haters. The previous owner had them all over the place, and it was quite a job eradicating the little b, uh, darlings.

Mad and Paul, are you saying I have to sp my beloved Munstead, which is doing so well otherwise? Say it ain’t so.

Roseseek, yet another rose tidbit of info I learned from you this week. I had no idea that the vendors of roses grafted on Dr. Huey attempted to remove or destroy the buds of the stock. This helps to explain why some of my roses grafted onto Huey have never shown Huey in 25 years, and some showed it the first year I bought them! Similar thanks to Jeri for mentioning "de-eyeing".

If you pull the sucker off, you get all the growth buds on that sucker, and may get other side buds at the same time. I was taught you *never* cut a sucker off because you will never get all the growth eyes that way.

Years ago, we were rose shopping in Maine and found an interesting spinossisisma, Glory of Edzel. We were going to pay for it when Lloyd Brace took it from us, and pointed out some multiflora suckers. He then yanked the suckers off, and handed the pot back to us. I don't think it has suckered since, but now is completely own-root. It may be seen in the second set of pictures in my this year's spinossisima thread.

Dr. Huey is why I always only plant "own root" roses. When we moved in here we had 3 roses which kept putting up the Dr's shoots, and it took years to get rid of them. One of them was a plant of Peace which we think was planted in the late 1940s. Eventually that plant started dying from the top from downey mildew, and I managed to get 2 cuttings the disease had not reached, and rooted one. I still have the plant of Peace from that rooted cutting - definitely on its own roots now, and it is going strong.

@SylviaWW 9a Hot dry SoCal "Mad and Paul, are you saying I have to sp my beloved Munstead, which is doing so well otherwise? Say it ain’t so."

Well, no. But once this has started, you will fight forever to keep the Phooey at bay. Unless you can tear the Phooey shoots off at the very base where they emerged, you will never stop it. Even then, once it has begun, stopping it is unlikely. It just means you will have some perpetual maintenance to do to preserve the scion variety.

Oh boy. And of course it would have to be the thorniest rose in my garden with this problem… I wonder if they sell full-body armor on Amazon? Or maybe a bee-keeper’s outfit might do the job. Either way, I’ m going to be lying flat in the dirt trying to tear off nasty things.

Happy Mother’s Day to all, BTW BTW!

Sylvia . . . "De-eye" = Remove Bud Eyes.

After about the first half-dozen vigorous Phooey suckers, we decided that we didn't need ANY rose badly enough to do that.

Rats. Does Munstead do well own-root? I can’t imagine not having that rose.

Most of my roses are over 20 years old now and almost inevitably, they are beginning to throw canina rootstock. In my case, the main reasons are usually down to grubbing around underneath roses, weeding, hoeing, planting...which will, at some point, disturb the roses enough to trigger suckering. Own root roses are not available in the UK so I have been gradually propagating my own stock and replacing older roses with cuttings growing on their own roots. This is a long term project and is also hampered by being unable to replant in the same places in the garden because rose replant does create problems (with some cultivars being much more susceptible than others. It's all a bit experimental and in general, I am still grateful for the many years of service before roses succumb to rootsock takeover. Although we are told to scrape away the soil and pull off suckers, rather than cutting them off, in practice, this is by no means an easy thing to do so I have to make a decision whether it is worth propagating new stock,...and more importantly, where to find space for new plantings.

@SylviaWW 9a Hot dry SoCal, you BOUGHT the plant which offends. Why not root it from that plant to see if it does well for you? If it does, dump the suckering plant and keep the own root. If it doesn't, dump the own root plants. You've paid the royalties for ONE plant, who says which it has to be?

My Munstead. does wonderfully own root.

Rosaprimula, I admire your hard work and perseverance.

roseseek, I hadnt thought of it. I’ve never rooted cuttings successfully, but then I don’t think I was trying hard enough. This is the time to take cuttings, isn’t it?Right after the first flush? We’re in the 90s here already …

librarian, thanks for letting me know.

It's as good a time as any! There are so many methods of rooting, you should just try a few and see what works best there, now, with that rose. Fingers crossed!

Thanks for the encouragement! We’re going away but will get started on it after the first wweekof June.

Sylvia, I have been able to use this method to root any cuttings that I have tried… I use Miracle Grow potting mix at the moment.

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5146303/how-to-root-rose-cuttings?n=21

Rebecca

I think the MW from DA in Texas is own root. Mine is. Of course it has zero fragrance too. Grrrr

After two years of fighting Dr Huey re-growth from the roots of a shovel pruned Don Juan, I made a commitment to only plant own root. I broke that commitment two years ago when I couldn't get every dream rose own root. And now I can't remember which were grafted. Was it Darcey Bussell? Deelish? Lady of Shalott? It certainly wasn't all three...

I'm worried about this happening to me but not as worried as I am about getting RRD again. So I guess there's that.