Yes, definitely the same.

I think all "'Irene Watts'" of-commerce are PGaA . . . They do their customers a disservice.

ARFR -- they should know better.

I wasn't trying to shame them or call them out. Pink Gruss was what I wanted. I thought it would be fun to order it under the old/wrong name. RFR does seem to be the only nursery still selling it as Irene Watts. It's interesting that they don't have a listing for either regular Gruss or Pink. But, then again, someone not in the know would think they're getting a China from 1895...

Oh, I know you would -- but they SHOULD know what they're carrying!

HEAVENS -- One's a China, and 't'other's -- well, whatever You want to call Pink Gruss. That matters.