Is this another sport of Manman Cochet? I have not seen this one, but others grow in all sorts of old gardens around here - the persist with no care - I helped some friends save one which was burried inside of a hedge once - we pruned the hedge away from its spindly sticks of canes, and now it is a huge, healthy bush.

Jackie

No, very far from it. It is a grandchild of R. gigantea. And, BTW, highly disease-resistant.

'Remembering Cochet' Rose (helpmefind.com)

Yes, one of Viru's very best, and another sore temptation for me to zone push, lol. Alas, anything that close to R. gigantea is probably doomed in my garden. They moved me up to Z7b, but still...

You know . . . It might just not get so tall???

Thanks! I could not find any photos of an entire bush on HMF - could you, Jeri, or anyone else, post one on here? HMF says it is a tea rose, but the bloom form appears to be classic HT, and I would really like to know what its growth habit is. Thanks for any info -

Jackie

Jackie -- It is too young to know. You would have to ask Girija, or perhaps Malcolm Manners.

It bids to be very tall and upright, and it is very clean. Look at the pedigree.

I can't even make a guess as to ultimate size. One parent, and one grandparent are huge climbers, one being Reve d'or, the other, R. gigantea, which is, well, giant. *But*, the other grandparent is the hybrid tea Carmosine, which is listed at a diminutive 2' to 28". I'd expect RC to be fairly large, but as to its growth habit over time, it's hard to tell. But with so much climber blood, I wouldn't expect it to be bolt upright like most HTs.

R. gigantea is thought to be in the bloodlines of the first teas, so the tea designation is probably appropriate.

Thank you both - if it grew like a tea, even a huge or climbing one, I would like that better than if it grew like a traditional HT.

Jackie

Thus far, it's most mature canes are completely upright.

Genetics are unpredictable. Who knows what genes it's expressing, lol. Girija may still have a plant of RC, and if so it would be the most mature one out there. Do you have a way to reach her, Jeri? I'd try myself, through HMF, but I have no idea if she checks in there after Viru's passing.

She's on FB. I'll ask her and Malcolm.

Well, so far it sounds as if RC behaves like a HT. I'm still interested in the ultimate size, but if it survives severe pruning, the point may be moot.

And here's Girija's reply:

" Jeri, for us ,who grow it in a pot,it grows only to about 4 feet. If planted in the ground it may grow slightly taller, but I imagine it won't get to be a very tall shrub "

Thanks, Jeri.