Gorgeous!

Kristine I love sweet spirit. I will have to try it and see how it does here.

Feiy thank you for the suggestions. I think I will pass on Mutabilis for such a large hedge. My temperatures are definitely erratic enough where a plant that may take some pronounced winter damage here isn’t worth it to me.

I love the idea of a hedge of Austin’s but I do not think there is any yet I have tried that could remotely compare to Flameco Rosita. I have 10 Olivia’s and she is great “for an Austin” she still gets about 40% percent foliage loss by the end of the season here. I had a nice planting of 10 or so Queen of Sweden here and she was very healthy for an Austin. She definitely would make a perfect hedge but after the spring flush she never rebloomed much not even a good fall flush.

I am testing Lions Fairytale from Palatine this year so I have hopes for that one. I will research Lynnei which I am not familiar with. Thank you for bringing this one up, I love to look into new roses.

Vapor La Marne looks fantastic I’ll definitely have to try that and I just saw ARE carries it. Thank you

NollieSpain I LOVE your Charlatan. Do you get lots of black spot in your area? Help me find mentions it is resistant to rust and mildew but has no mention of black spot. I also don’t seem to find it available anywhere in the USA. So that may not be possible here.

I think I got mine From the original chamberlainchamberlain Chamblee

HMF lists brushwood as a source for the charlatans And freedom gardens does grow it so he would be able to propagate it if he still has it. There are reports report reports on HMF Of black spot, but some say it does not black spot until the end of it cycle. It's probably a crap shoot and that regard. It's super pretty though With those red stains stamems.

Lemon La marne was 1 of my 1st roses and still a keeper.

The Austin, Kew Gardens, is very healthy and floriferous in full sun here in BS heaven. Also Blushing Pink knockout does great and needs no deadheading. I have five BP KOs along my driveway.

Thank you Bowered Cottage I grow Kew Gardens and it is very good but still gets blackspot here. Blushing pink knockout is certainly one that would be great for my project, I am just being extra selective I guess not wanting to choose a knockout since they are the only roses everyone grows in my area. They certainly perform like rockstars.

I just purchased Bonica, Therese Bugnet and seafoam to test. I also got Cream veranda, Lions fairytale, Guislaine Feligonde, and Bliss to compare to Flameco Rosita and Kendyl Marie which are my top healthy constant bloomers.

I just wanted to add that I also admire your Charlatan, Nollie. It's so pretty and looks like it would be lovely as a hedge. I wish it was more widely available.

Karen and Dianela, The Charlatan is available from five US suppliers according to HMF (e.g. Angel Gardens, Brushwood) I usually check before dangling temptation! I haven’t looked to see if any of them still carry it, I know these listings can often be out of date..

https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?scope=1&countryID=2&oTyp=0&n=75946&l=2.39740.3&tab=16&lvl=1

Dianela, yes my disease pressures are high. Unless we are having a drought year, we usually get regular summer downpours and it can feel like a steaming hot rainforest at times. TC is probably my cleanest, most trouble-free rose ever, zero BS when many others are a spotty, defoliated mess. The leaves are thick, dark green and plentiful and it produces new shoots regularly even in severe drought/heat. My boy dog is very fond of peeing on it and even that doesn’t seem to bother it! I believe your BS strains are different to those in Europe tho, so no idea how that would pan out.

I used to have a “hedge” of Bonica when I gardened up in zone 6 eastern PA. I loved the shrubs individually, but they never quite understood the assignment Lol! They did blackspot and would invariably lose leaves and yes, they they set a lot of lovely hips too. They were good bloomers, but they did not grow uniformly at all! That was probably the most maddening part for me and may have been at least partly my pruning failure, but everyone of them was uniquely wonky and invariably asymmetrical. I’m sure they’d grow better for you though. i was a rather clueless novice at the time.

Thank you NollieSpain I will continue look in case I come across it. Angel gardens doesn’t list it and Brushwood only sells clematises and other vines now. I will check the other vendors.

Markday your report confirming Bonica does get BS is crushing. I already ordered one to test and I am glad I didn’t get multiple. If I were to choose a rose I had to spray I would definitely go with an Austin.

I may go back to looking at the knockouts and easy on the eyes. I also considered using Darlow’s enigma, it is bullet proof and fragrant

Thank you all for all the help.

I should have said that while Bonica had some black spot and defoliation, it didn’t seem to slow it down. It just kept putting out new foliage and lots of blooms.

what height range were you thinking off for your hedge?

I haven’t settled on a specific height. I have never made a hedge before. I think it shouldn’t be anything less than 3 or 4 feet tall because in my dreams I would like it to be lined by boxwood or something like it. It will also be on an area with plenty of space since I will be starting from scratch.

Considering starting it after this tree and lining both sides of the drive. Of course I am sure this will take me a few years to accomplish but hopefully this will be my forever home so i am willing to put in all the work and wait.

I have always admired this look I saw online so not overly formal. I like my roses to look a bit wild or relaxed

Boxwood blight is becoming a significant issue, but I don’t know if that is only old boxwoods and there may be newer blight resistant varieties. Near where I work in DC, there are these lovely hedges of a white rugosa. I think it is Henry Hudson, but not positive. Anyway, rugosas make lovely hedges, but they probably don’t have the bloom that you are after.

I dearly loved my Bonicas, they just never gave me the hedge I envisioned.

I’ve also been thinking of a rugosa hedge and in an effort to find rugosas that thrive in the hot, humid south I’ve been looking at local historical gardens like Monticello that have used rugosas as hedges — https://www.monticello.org/house-gardens/center-for-historic-plants/plant-collections/rose-border/

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Julia child hedge

I love the foliage on the rugosas. I have purchased the following to try: banc de courbert, Therese Bugnet, snow pavement and Hanza

Ok so another rose I am considering is Earth Angel. It would make a perfect dense hedge if pruned appropriately and even when not in bloom it has super dense 100% clean green foliage. It would be my ideal rose bloom and color and super fragrant when in bloom but it definitely doesn’t have the rebloom power I was hopping for. So the question I will have to struggle with for the rest of this year is. Do I choose my a gorgeous fragrant rose like Earth Angel or a Rugosa and lose the strong rebloom or go for whatever gives me more color spring to frost. I know this should be simple but somehow it isn’t.

Kristine Julia C is definitely on my list for a hedge. I absolutely love Diane’s and I love yellow. Is it fragrant ? I will test it to see if it is resitant to blackspot here.

Markday boxwood blight is definitely a concern for my project. I am looking into alternatives but most of the alternatives so far are not deer resistant like boxwood is so I am in a tight spot with a very large deer population and no real way of fencing my entire property.

I will not comment on each individual rose Now. I will know I will know those that are absolutely stand out in their category though.1st stop r singles:

The tooth fairyfairy , Pink drift, Emma June, Although she has some cercorospora, ping Lims Daydream, Deanna Kraus, nearly wild (I don't grow it but have seen it https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62609 well North of here. I've read it ken blackspot though), Sally Holmes Does well for some but black spots here. My friend grows it flawlessly. Darla's enigma.

SemiDouble: Fire opal! , Carefree beauty,Carefree beauty in Alabama Picture I have posted a picture of my friend's hedge Prior.. Deanna Krause could also fall into this category at times.

SemiFull: would Dahl, Pink pet! What an outstanding rose!, Lamarne As mentioned prior.. Marie Pavie,Brise Parfum, Katharine Zeimet... Love this rose. Sea foam, Double pink knockout, Perle D'Or, I'm always having to deadhead this 1.

Double/Full: Belinda's dream And Belinda's blush, Summer romance , bloom could be better I think And does need deadheading. I think this is probably the case with many of these full roses.... ...Ascot might be another contender. For red. Also, while I have your attention, I'd love to know what other reds you have besides Bordeaux.I'm growing as A. bush is Cinderella. Outstanding. . ...But again needs deadheading. Iebeszauber Is a good red but you already have that covered.. Special mention as extremely outstanding Goes to bliss And special child...

Dianela, I wish you could try Sir Thomas Lipton which is a rugosa that is supposed to do very well in the South. Sarah van Fleet also good for the South. Linda Campbell is another winner.

Roseraie de l'Hay is wonderful here. I'm pretty shocked that my rugosas do so well in the heat. We have dry heat here, so our climate is different than yours.

You have already picked good roses.

Fire Opal is amazing here too. Its a great dupe for Belle Story and very carefree & healthy. Glossy green leaves. I spray nothing here. Pollinators visit any open blooms. I bought 3 on clearance in 3 gal pots for under $5 ea. I thought they were grafted but nope, they aren't. They did good in FL sand and are still doing great in the FL Panhandle where we have more loamy clay. I have a few Earth Angels too. They are pretty good but not as healthy or bloom as often as FO. The EAs get much taller and lankier. My Fire Opals stay around 5 ft. and dense.

Dianela, take a look at Germander as a posssible boxwood alternative. Deer resistant, easy and quick from seed and Evergreen. It was commonly used for the low clipped green border in Victorian knot gardens.

Fire opal always has perfect Foliage here! Absolutely perfect And blooms a lot. Lily finch grew it and loved it in Tennessee where there is also heavy black spot pressure. I wanted to June the get Sarah sportsspo cercerospora, NOT DaydresmDaydreamDaydresmDaydream. Also. I do not have to deadhead pearl Door , I meant it is always blooming!

That should be Emma June gets some weird disease sometimes not daydreaming. Also I deadhead pearl door because it blooms so much not because it requires it.

I really love “The Charlatan”. I hope we can find it in the US.

for me, the best shrub rose is Julia Child: a blooming machine, clean , tidy and handsome.

Purple Prince is great too, plus he has excellent fragrance and health.

Summer Romance: I know a lot of people has issue with its lack of bloom in summer. To me that is fine, our summer is too brutal but it still manages to produce some flowers, and lots of new and red leaves . At this time it looks full and clean with buds ready to open.

Desdemona: healthiest of DA rose in my garden. Plant is neat and clean with good rebloom

There are so many options.

Markay I have been very interested in trying Germander but havent seen it locally. I have never managed to grow much from seed but if it is easy I need to try it. Thank you for mentioning that

I put links to many of the roses I Mentioned above.

Thank you Vapor for such an extensive list I am going to start researching one by one and buying the ones I can to test. I still have some time as I expect my house won’t be finished until early next year or maybe spring. I won’t be able to landscape around the drive until after it is paved and that may take a while.

Your drive is really pretty Pretty. I really like the European gravel look though.

Thank you Vapor! I will update on what I mange to do

Dianela, just catching up here and I have to say your drive is fabulous! In that setting I personally wouldn’t go for a neat shrub such as The Charlatan or Julia Child, despite their inherent merits. I think your instincts to go for something more relaxed would be a better fit in the landscape, so rugosas or prolific once-bloomers with attractive hips to avoid the regular deadheading chore of repeat flowering roses - or even an informal mix such as in your sample photo? Especially if edged with a more formal low shrub to provide a degree of order and containment. If the edging is also flowering in summer or provides foliage colour that would fill in after the once-bloomers are done. Just my rambling thoughts, best of luck with your driveway project whatever you decide!

How exciting to have a forever home to landscape with roses, I am very much looking forward to how that drive and the rest of your garden progresses.

I wonder how Scentuous /Gartentraume is with blackspot resistance, some of the newer Tantaus are pertty good. It has terrific habit and generous repeat. I think the overall look and beauty out-Englishes most Austins.

Or perhaps Pashmina/Pompom Veranda, which is a Kordes. The blooms last so long that the plant provides constant color, only had mine 2 years but `i’m very impressed. The blooms have even lasted in endless days of 100-110F, which I find unbelievable.

I have a rose that is now easily 20 years old: Alba Meidiland. Amazing blooms, and then intermittently until close to fall when I get a big flush again. About 3 and a half feet high...about 4 feet wide. I keep meaning to plant more along a fence, but then something like Beverly attracts my attention and I go in another direction!

Thank you very much NollySpain, your thoughts and comments are very appreciated. I do love the idea of having a large hedge of a more relaxed rose bush. I will test all the varieties I have been able purchased and see how they behave.

Bent what a gorgeous roses. Where did you get it? It definitely has one of my favorite colors and the form is fabulous. I’ll see if I can find it to test it out. i I have a pompon veranda but it has not grown much this year or rebloom so not sure about that one.

Don't know if you saw this post Thread. Scentuous

I just went and read that thread, I may need to see if I can find it and try it. So far everyone raging about it lives in a dryer climate so thats worrisome for me

Scentuous was at my Home Depot this spring as part of the My Bouquet collection. It was introduced by Certified, so probably Regan and other online nurseries will carry it next spring, too.

Thank you BenT. I am going to atop by the nearest homedepot in case I happen to see one or I will try and find it next spring. It is lovely.

Dianela, I'm on a Home Depot national wait list for Scentuous, and I'm skeptical that they have that rose currently, but maybe they do, and the waiting list was so much hot air. I'll be watching this thread to see if you can get this rose. I hope you do. Doesn't the seller All My Thyme have Scentuous, or did have it?

Ben, your Scentuous photos are just stunning. I must get this rose! Diane

Scentuous is on their list. I have never purchased from all my thyme before. I found someone on helpmefind in New Jersey that posted saying this rose is not healthy in their garden which is a huge red flag for me. I will see who carries it next spring and get one if available from my usual sources. After the recent debacles with newer nurseries I am abstaining from trying any new ones.

I checked Home Depot again for Scentuous, and as I guessed, they were out of stock and I was already on their wait list when I signed up a second time. So the list still exists. And yes, All My Thyme still has Scentuous on their list, too. I've read good things on this forum about All My Thyme, but like you, I'm a bit skeptical of some of these new sellers. Once burned....and all that. Diane

Diane, does Edmunds deliver to Idaho yet? They have Scentuous listed. Closed for ordering now but will prob open in winter to be delivered in spring. They usually have good deals on shipping ..free ship if you order $100 usually starts in January. Ive always got huge healthy roses from them. Their roses are usually grafted.

Sultry, Edmunds and J & P have been able to ship to Idaho for the last year or so. That's how I got my Double Easy Orange rose from J&P last year. I'll check out Edmunds for Scentuous. Thanks for the info. I hope they carry Scentuous for next year. Diane

I just checked Regan and they do have it listed..says orders open in October. I have only ordered from them once last year. They were supposed to send me a Lavender Crush..I had my suspicions because it was a slow slow grower and didnt bloom for 5 mos. Which is crazy for FL. The LCs I've had at my old house were huge climbing monsters that bloomed a lot.

When this regan rose finally did bloom it was this horrid semi-double poached egg yellowish white..maybe a egg yolk stirred once lol. It barely blooms and is still less than 2 feet tall. Has no scent. I really hate it-whatever it is. I know a lot of people order from regan and like it so maybe I just got unlucky. I dont know if I will bother ordering from them again.

@Diane Brakefield

Diane how tall do you think Collette could climb? do you think she can make 15 feet or so?

I'm thinking my Colette, which climbs a seven foot tall arbor that is five feet wide is about 14 feet. Colette doesn't reach all the way to the bottom of the other side of the arbor. I was shocked to read that HMF lists her as around 3 feet to about 6.5 feet, or thereabouts. That's ridiculous. My rose is mature. I started growing her in 2013. She was in a five gallon pot and bloomed her first season. I realize that we all have different size outcomes depending on myriad growing factors, so your rose might be shorter. Also, HMF lists her as three feet wide. Hoho. She's much wider than that, and my arbor really can't contain her width at all. If you have more questions, I'll try to answer them, and I wish you success in your new garden. Diane

Away we go in 2013.

2013 bloom.

Mature Colette

Oops another over and down and I tried to show where she ends up.

Welcome.

That is just incredible You need a chair to sit under that bower! The 1st picture reminds me of my little unassuming Cinderella Until she decided to become a monster herself. Roses are tricky Tricksters

Thank you so much, Vapor. We have lots of spring nests in Colette, so sitting under her is probably dangerous. One year, I reached up to try to touch the nest and got bird poop raining down on my head. Finches. In my previous home, the finches nested in the ivy that grew on my house. I did the same reaching up to touch the ivy where I thought the nest was and got a cloud of bird poop almost in my face. You'd think I'd learn.....Do you have photos of Cinderella? I'd like to see them. Diane

Thank you Diane. I was wondering about it after seeing the helpmefind measurements. I know my Boscobell was small and yours large but I am attributing the lack of growth to it having to spend all its energy replacing foliage due to black spot. The baby Collette I purchased this spring is exceptionally clean and has grown vigorously in its pot so I am hopeful it is going to be a rock star. I have always admired your Collette and I hope mine does well.

Dianela, you've received many terrific suggestions that will take forever for you to sift through and try to decide. I hesitated to add any more to the list especially since I wasn't sure what kind of a hedge you had in mind. After seeing pictures of your drive, I think I get it. As a consideration, will this hedge vary in the amount of sunlight it gets? As you know, some roses won't grow well in areas of occasional shade. Your hedge looks like it will be fairly exposed and expected to handle wind and drought and heat and humidity. Is that right? It's a lot to consider. If you add frequent bloom and good resistance to blackspot, it really narrows the field.

What about a noisette? Natchitoches Noisette might be the right size and growth pattern for your space. I only have two- Crepescule and Reve d'Or- and I think they are too big for your drive but they are good bloomers, resistant to blackspot, drought resistant and fragrant to boot. Most noisettes check these boxes. Some aren't hard to propagate if that's important. Most will thrive in 7b Alabama but a handful may not tolerate a severe winter or late freezes.

What about St. Elisabeth of Hungary? FYI I have only had this rose for a year. I got it as a gift for someone else. It arrived here half-cooked and looking horrible so I just held on to it. It is in a pot here because I haven't decided what to do with it. This spring the rose pepped up and began to grow and bloom. The blooms are lovely, fragrant and sort of a lilac-pink. It has handled heat, humidity, drought and an abundance of rain. I'll have to repot it soon but I suspect it won't like living in a pot forever. It's supposed to be a healthy size, either as a shrub or a climber. Our winters shouldn't worry this rose at all.

Karen Service: Thank you very much for your post and your recommendations. I am planing on starting the rose hedge after the tree that barely shows on the left hand side of my picture so the entire length of it will be in full sun for a most of the day. It will definitely be exposed to harsh winds during the winter. We get down to single digits without any snow cover so I need something hardy enough to be ok. My plan is to set up some sort of irrigation so hopefully it will be well watered during on hot summer months. Thanks a million for your recommendations again I am going to purchase St. Elizabeth of Hungary right away because it really looks like it could be what I need if it turns out to be resistant to black spot here.