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Chili thrips vs RRV question on Eustacia Vye Growth

2 years ago
last modified: 2 years ago

to start, the heat has been very high and its been humid. Temps in my area have been up to 108. I have been watering almost every day but many of my plants look sun scorched.

Most if not all of my roses have very small leaves, some are brown tiny leaves.

my Eustacia Vye has tiny leaves but also the stems look weird. like the leaves have grown faster than the stems could grow taller.

One thing I want to point out is the growth is not excessively thorny and is not very red. Not all the canes have this type of growth (most of the canes have no growth) . only two canes have this clustered growth.

But if definitely looks weird and every time i look at it, it makes me shudder in disgust. It’s in the middle of my garden and all the plants around it looks dry and hot but nothing is red or excessively thorny etc.



Here is the main cane that has this weird growth.



Same plant different cane, growth looks normal.



Whole plant photo, you can see top left two stems with a lot of clustered growth of tiny leaves.

No chemical spray of any kind has been here, its not a pesticide or herbicide.

also for comparison another plant with tiny leaves on all the new growth, but its spaced out more normally and not so clustered and weird: PcDM



so what would you do and what do you think? I have never seen an RRD plant in my neighborhood and have never had it in my garden (yet). It is in my city. I always clean my shears with clorox wipes in between plants.

Comments (19)

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  • 2 years ago

    What I would do (have done) is cut the cane off at the base, then watch the plant carefully. I say that with the caveat that I believe RRD spreads through a plant slower in a colder climate, so I have a lot more time to catch it. However, since it is at the ends of the cane, cutting back is worth a try.

    I'm not saying it is definitely RRD. But I agree it doesn't look good, and some caution is in order.

  • 2 years ago

    Thank you for your feedback

  • 2 years ago

    I’m certainly no authority on RRD, so take my post with a grain of salt, please. But I live in S Arizona at high elevation and we have gotten a lot of high temperature days this summer. I’m talking high 90’s and triple digit temps for day after day, weeks on end with no break. I have seen some strange growth pattern on several of my roses, but especially Boscobel, that looks similar to what you show on EV. I personally don’t think I’m dealing with RRV, but simply a heat stress symptom.

  • 2 years ago

    Thank you, Judi for your help.

  • 2 years ago

    I am also seeing photos of similar damage from chili thrips. small brown leaves with some distorted stems.

  • 2 years ago
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    Looks like Chilli thrip damage to me . I get it every summer , stunted blackened new growth . You should trim the distorted growth then spray the whole bush with Spinosad .

    I use Bonide Captain Jack's dead bug brew .

  • 2 years ago
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    Does NOT look like RDD to me. Cutting down the cane like Mad advised wont hurt. Look at the foliage again when temps improve

  • 2 years ago


    This on my Alnwick . After talking to a couple local people Ive come to the conclusion that I probably have a massive chili thrip situation that I was attributing to high temps causing small distorted brown and shriveled new growth - and that I had it last year too.


    I’m optimistic that if I treat this ongoing that maybe I really will have summer blooms next year. Honestly it’s somewhat embarrassing.


    I was wondering how some people had such beautiful roses in high heat places in the summer and why mine looked so scorched despite so much watering and now I know

  • 2 years ago
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    In FL , l get chilli thrip damage every year in the middle of summer . I really hate how it looks . This year is the only year l did not get it . Because l was very diligent about spraying .

  • 2 years ago

    Echo, that happened with me with another scotch Scorch ScorchScorch scourge, the dread Rose midge. Due to high temp. This site erases everything I say or type.

  • 2 years ago

    Pink Rose, how often do you spray to keep them under control?

  • 2 years ago
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    Echo

    From Spring to Fall , I spray every 2 weeks , sometimes l skip a week if l am super busy or traveling . Spinosad is the only thing that gets rid of them .

  • 2 years ago

    Thank you for letting me know

  • last year

    Before and after of the main offender, Eustacia Vye. I very nearly removed this plant completely due to the growth i shared above which looked so clustered and unusual.


    I removed the growth and treated this three times and now have healthy growth



  • last year
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    Echo _Texas

    Beautiful results !

    Actually chilli thrips are easy to control with Spinosad . I keep looking for early signs of infestation in summer . On new growth , distorted curled leaves and a little reddish tinge (marbling ) .

    Here is a good article :

    https://mrec.ifas.ufl.edu/lso/thripslinks.htm

  • last year

    I agree, the treatment worked well and was easy to do. i bought a bottle with a spray nozzle but went through that very quickly. Ended up buying the concentrate and a sprayer with a wand instead.


    I also realized that my plumbago and lantana also appeared to be affected. had to trim and spray a lot. This past Friday would have been the third weekly treatment but I didn’t do it and now I’m thinking I need to again because I dont want to move backward on this problem

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