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Best pink pillar rose for Central Ohio?

last year

Hi there! I'm looking for fragrance, continuous bloom, light to medium pink, hopefully not too thorny. Freedom Gardens, a propagator and grower in Portage County, Ohio recommended Blossomtime or Jane Charlotte. Any other great ideas out there? I can't find anything about Jane Charlotte on the web at all.

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    I was also going to suggest Blossomtime, I've never heard of Jane Charlotte, but would take his word for it. Dreamland is another he has carried that does well, and while there is die-back most years, it regrows vigorously. He has also suggested City Girl, but I don't grow it. Perhaps ask him about Felicia and Cornelia. Cinderella is a great rose, but thorny. Let me think on this a bit, as i grow a lot of climbers. I'm a zone warmer though so you might rely on Peter for Z5 suggestions. Ive acquired many roses from him and he's never steered me wrong! Aloha is another 1 in that size range for a pillar, but it does black spot for me.

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    A big question, is how large a rose are you looking for? To me, a pillar rose isn't all that big - 8 ft maybe.

    Primrose Doll thanked mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)
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    You could go with Jeanne Lajoie, the climbing miniature rose. It would look incredible.

    I had two, years ago, one on either side of the two, 4' high short length fences that were on either side of the 5 steps that take you from my car pad to the garden gate at the top of the steps.

    Jeanne Lajoie was unbelievably spectacular for her spring flush...covered with petal packed blooms produced in such profusion that they literally obscured the foliage.

    Only caveat is that repeat bloom during the rest of the year is nothing like her first spectacular spring flush. That's for a mature bush (5+ yrs old), as well.

    I removed mine because the overhanging canes made it impossible to go up or down the steps without getting snagged on the steps' hand rails (rails on both sides of the steps). Also, carrying grocery bags were routinely torn, umbrellas got caught, and for safety's sake Jeanne Lajoie came out. Their crowns were a foot across!

    However, where safety is not an issue where she is planted, go for it. Jeanne Lajoie is no more dangerous than any other climber...it's just that where mine were planted, they presented the danger.

    Mose

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    I definitely don't want anything too large but enough to cover an 8 foot pillar without wounding anyone nearby! Plus pink, fragrant, continuous bloom, disease resistant etc. Thanks for any and all suggestions.

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    I followed up on vaporvac's Cornelia suggestion and it sounds lovely. Has anyone grown in central Ohio?

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    Freedom Gardens doesn't seem to grow it, so hopefully some other mid-Ohio lurkers can comment. It does well here with no die-back and b health regarding BS, giving multiple flushes if fed.

    Could you double check on the Jane Charlotte suggestion to verify it's the correct name and spelling; I couldn't find it on HMF or FGs list

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    If you're concerned about black spot there in Portage County, Ohio, take a look at Madame Anisette, which because of her extremely vertical growth habit and vigorous height attained, she could work very well on a post or obelisk. She got her ADR award in 2014, so she has a proven black spot resistance record. Palest pink blooms with plenty of petals and fragrance in the strong range make her a much loved rose. Most reports on her attest to her great vigor, tallness, and flower output. A tall rose can work as a pillar rose, perhaps even better than a climber.

    Moses

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    Does flower output mean continuous flowering? And how are the prickles? It's wonderful to hear about a new candidate for my specifications picky as though they may be!

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    Cornelia here is very languid and horizontal after 5 years. I would not think she would like a pillar, but could drape over a low fence.

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    i must say Blossomtime is a favourite, but I totally understand checking out all the options first. yes, Sheila, Cornelia is a languid beauty, but amenable to being tied up. mine is growing exactly as you suggest! However, i've found some the the 'pillar"roses difficult to wind aroung the support.

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    I am not in Ohio but I am always checking with Vapor regarding disease resistant varieties since we also have huge blackspot pressure.

    If thorns are a big Consideration you should look very carefully into threads that talk about nearly thornless roses. Blossomtime is gorgeous but it has sharp thorns and is in no way near thornless. None of the hybrid musks here have been VERY blackspot resistant. Moses recommended Madame anisette which is certainly VERY black spot resistant but it has extremely wicked thorns. I do not grow any roses that I can honestly say are light to med pink with great black spot resistance, very low in thorns and constant bloomers. I hope someone has a better idea but you may need to prioritize some of those aspects and compromise on others.

    Madame Anissette takes a few year to rebloom well here. It is 100 percent blackspot free but it will shred you to pieces unless you are very careful. Here she is pillared to 10 feet I think




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    Both blossom time And aloha are children of new dawn so that probably says all you need to know about thorns.! LOL! I was also going to suggest Viking queen for a slightly darker pink, but she's also related to new dawn! I have read that Ghislaine de Feligond Has a pink sport But I think she might be too big unless the sport is smaller.

    Daniela, I forgot about that picture of madame anisette! What a rose! How long did it take to start blooming like that?

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    Vapor it bloomed this well by year two but took like 4 for good rebloom

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    I called High Country Roses (Colorado) and they recommended Victorian Memory of which breeder Frank L. Skinner in Manitoba says "I believe however that my greatest contribution to the cause of getting better hardy roses was the directing of attention to the value of the true Rosa laxa as a parent, some of my hybrids of it are of fairly good quality and continue to flower from the end of June untill frost. One of these which I have called Isabella Skinner (now also called Victorian Memory) is in bloom now and last year I photographed flowers on it in October, it is fully double, comes in clusters of four or five and has good foliage and the colour is a good clear pink." Plus High Country Roses says practically no prickles and is fragrant!

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    I grow Victorian Memory and it blackspots a lot here no-spray. It is also a mid-range pink with poorer repeat compare to other roses I grow. Sheila in OR grows it well, but she is in a warmer zone. Perhaps in that colour Viking Queen would suit you, although as another child of New Dawn it is prickly.I'm unsure of the height The Generous Gardener will reach in your zone, but it's light on thorns and healthy here with a lovely f I can't remember if someone suggested Lavender Lassie, but it's another beauty.ragrance, to boot.The same goes for Cinderella

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    I agree with Vapor that Victorian Memory does not seem like a pillar rose even here in the dry zone. Stem girdlers love her, leaving her looking gangly after they are cut out. I love the blooms.

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    What about St. Elisabeth of Hungary? It is supposed to be hardy to z 5b. I have only had it since last summer, never tried it on a pillar and I'm z 7b but mine seems healthy, fragrant and attractive so far.

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    My St. Elisabeth of Hungary was ownroot and maybe 4' tall at maturity. I can't imagine it doing much climbing in my zone 5/6 zone. I have had poor luck with Victorian Memory even keeping it alive (and it's supposed to be hardy to zone 3), so it's also a downer to hear it's a poor repeater. Cornelia is a small rose for me with infrequent repeat - I don't think it's a climber in our zones. I found Jeanne LaJoie to be a very hardy rose but like Moses said it has poor repeat. Kiss Me Kate is a pink climber that in my garden has poor repeat too.

    Aloha is nicely hardy for me but a very upright rose. I grow it as a mostly self-supporting rose with a shepherd's hook for a little stability and it stays around 5-6' tall at most. I haven't tried Blossomtime but once and it didn't survive my winter, but I may try again. Madame Anisette and Summer Romance are both self supporting and upright with no evidence of BS here, but they don't strike me as climbers. They wouldn't need the pillar to climb on but might make that effect.

    I'm not good at scents so I can't speak to fragrance, but for hardiness and repeat bloom you can't beat Cinderella Fairy Tale in cold zones. There are thorns but it's a winner for bloom and covering an arch. Probably not fragrant, but it meets other expectations.

    Diane has lovely pictures of Colette and she has survived reasonably well for me. Similarly Nahema would be a modest climber on a small tripod in cold zones. Both would be better grafted if you can find them. Souvenir de Louis Amade isn't supposed to be a climber but in my yard grafted it got to 8-10 feet and draped over a shepherd's hook. It has stiff canes so winding around a tripod isn't likely.

    Mel's Heritage has nicely flexible canes and blooms frequently/nonstop in warmer climates. I think it's also fragrant and low thorn so that's worth looking into, though it's a zone 6-7 rose and a bit shaky in our zones. Renae is indeed thornless but it's at best a zone 7 rose and iffy to survive much less climb in zone 7. Annie Laurie McDowell is absolutely lovely and meets all your requirements but it's bred from Renae so it would need a sheltered and protected spot at best.

    Awakening would be a good fit for the flexibility and hardiness and it's a great repeat bloomer. Don't know about fragrance but it's worth checking.

    Dream Land from Palatine is amazing at covering my arch, but unless it's released from them this year it may be a lost cause (unless Freedom Gardens carries it).

    Hope that helps! I can chime in my opinion on other suggestions as they roll in if I've grown it. As always YMMV.

    Cynthia