A couple more that are perennial. Here is Stokesia with the rose True Sincerity.

Earth Angel with Blue Skywalker Veronica

And for a change of color… Coreopsis ’Moonbeam’ with Foxy Lady.

Markay, what lovely combinations.

So much gorgeousness! I agree with Titian on your tasteful combinations, Markay. And I am impressed with your True Sincerity Rose as well. I don’t know what got into me, but I picked up that rose bare root about two weeks ago and I don’t even really like pink and yellow two tone roses! It was definitely an impulse buy, but I got that one and True Spirit, a red rose. Both are Oink Lin roses and I like my True Live so much I decided to try more. Your rose makes me feel like I made a good buy.

Thanks, Trish and Sheila for weighing in on the Gauara. I’ll see if it does well here without doing too well! ;)

Trish, Sheila is correct that breadseed poppies are annuals, so of course they're not going to survive more than one season, but they reseed well. I think you could grow them in your late winter to early spring fine. But you'd probably need to stratify them for a few days in your freezer. Why would you want customs to stop my parcel to you? You could always smoke the seeds-hahaha. Sorry, I'm an embarrassment to the forum. Do you still grow Digiplexis?

Sultry, to answer your question, the California Quail we have don't seem to eat many poppy seeds. And I don't feed these ravenous birds my expensive seed. The little birds that use my super jail bird feeder do drop black oil sunflower seed all over the ground beneath the feeder, and the quail love those seeds and gather under the feeder. These are the covey that hangs around all winter. But there are hundreds of these quail just in our neighborhood, and they do well without a lot of help. They are so like chickens as you know, I'm sure. They are pretty good sized, too. We used to have Bob White's in the area when I was a kid, but they've disappeared a long time ago, along with the huge jack rabbit population, which was hunted to extinction in this area. Quail love cosmos seeds and small plants, centaura, Dara the wild purple carrot seed, verbena plants and probably seed, some campanula plants, which they devour, small annual rudbeckia seedlings, and they devour silver sage plants, and I'll bet they love to eat lamb's ear. I've left out some plants, I know. Any sunflower seed they love, but don't like thistle seed, plus other plants I've mentioned that they dislike, such as penstemon. They don't like snapdragons, morning glory, Four O'Clock's, Jupiter's Beard, and others. No critter eats daffodils, either. Well, that's a start..... That's an impressive glad you posted, a lovely color. I used to grow Lavender Chiffon Rose of Sharon. You could probably grow nice tropical hibiscus. Your Munstead Wood looks beautiful with the R of S. Diane

Can anyone speak to their experience with sedum? I tried Autumn Joy in an area that few plants have thrived in and unsurprisingly it didn't do well. It was my first year as a gardener.

I keep thinking about trying Autumn Joy and Thunderhead sedum as they both look so gorgeous.

I also like the look of artemisia, as I think it woupd complement lambs ear, russian sage, and nepeta with their silvery qualities - but have never tried it

Echo, I planted a bed of sedum a number of years ago. 16 of them, I think. I had no luck with them. They all disappeared. Autumn Joy was one of the kinds I tried. I thought they were hard to kill. I really must be a rotten gardener. Mind you, I've planted bluebells, daffodils (not really cold enough here for either), and narcissi there, and none have done well, yet narcissi multiply lots everywhere else I've put them.

Diane, were you joking about Customs? Not sure. I hope they spot anything that shouldn't come in here, and I think that includes any plant matter without the necessary paperwork.

@sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) Yes! I still have..8? lol I need to take count. My favourite are my crimson queens, I let them trail down the tiered beds I have them in and I consider them to be my 'rapunzel' plants lol. I have a giant one that is the .most beautiful shade of red, absolutely stunning. I'm never getting rid of any of them, things will just have to grow around in between them. Your glad is gorgeous. I love them so so much and tried to plant some last year but, alas, my environment is too dry for them, they are water hogs. Also, despite them being listed as deer-resistant, the deer in my neighbourhood munched off all the flower stalks as soon as they grew, that was super annoying no matter how cute they are.

The aforementioned red maple:

You can see the voluminous crimson queens in this picture, along with my bougainvillea (I was trying to get an overhead shot of my giant standards):

I just read over my last post and almost snorted when I saw how my auto correct spell check changed Ping Lim! What a terrible name.

Echo, I think you should try artemisia. I have Powis Castle and it’s gorgeous but also huge. I want to try Silver Mound.

SD Shine, what a beautiful place you have!! Your crimson queens are spectacular.

SD I love your layered rock wall garden. So many interesting things you could do. Not only can you grow roses, but succulents, and a few tropical &/or tropical looking plants. Do you read Hoovb's blog, 'Piece of eden?' She has walled garden with slopes, retaining walls, a koi pond, etc in Calif. She has roses but also a spectacular wild succulent garden growing there due to her water restrictions. I love it! If I lived in that climate, that is exactly what I would have. She can grow proteas, grevillias, leucadendron, tree aloes. I can grow some succulents and cacti type plants..the cold hardier ones that can take a little more moisture. Some things can be manipulated quite a bit by providing clear overhead protection from all our rain or by putting them under the porch eaves where they get good sun at a slant! Of course a pot ghetto of succulents can be moved when necessary in winter yada yada lol.

I don't follow a lot of blogs but I do love this one

https://pieceofeden.blogspot.com/?m=1

Thank you, Judi, this may be the year I try it :)

Love this thread! Chiming in because I didn't see anyone mention these but I really love planting Rozanne Geranium in with the roses. It stays nice and round and compact, a really vivid bright purple/blue color. Not a bully, very friendly with it's neighbors. Blooms in flushes from spring to fall and comes back every year

Also love lisianthus - easy to grow from seed (just requires a ton of patience, it's slow!) - comes in lots of colors. I prefer the echo series blue ones. Two week vase life which is an extra plus. It's an annual for my zone but I think it's perennial for the warmer zones

Yes, I’m glad you mentioned those, elestrial! I love Rosanne Geraniums myself but the sun is so hot here that it scorches them. I finally found one spot where they are doing quite well. And Lisianthus does well here as well, but you are so right about them taking a lot of patience to grow. :)

Aw, that's a bummer they scorch there - glad you found a spot to have some at least. Their color is such a bright vivid pop of blue/purple - probably my favorite shade for contrast.

In reading through this thread I'd like to try growing lavender again - I've tried it quite a number of times over the years and it never comes back after the first year, not really sure why. Does anyone have a favorite bulletproof lavender that is harder to kill for someone with my track record? (Is that even a thing?)

I did try growing orayla for the first time this year and it was pretty. Does anyone know if it reliably self sows? In reading online it says it can do this...but needs the right conditions

Omg that looks amazing!

Susan!! I need your design services in my garden! Breathtaking.

@susan9santabarbara omgosh that doesn’t even look real! Not doubting you at all, just totally in awe. You’re clearly a talented gardener.

@sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) We always want what we can’t have, eh? And thank you for the blog recommendation, it’s beautiful and totally relevant for me.

@Elestrial 7a I’m trying my hand at lithianthus for the first time and it is totally a lesson in patience. I’ve started all my flower seedlings and the stock & snapdragons are literally trying to escape their humidity domes while mayyyybe if I squint and use a magnifying glass I can start to see eensy weensy little green specs. Yours are stunning.

judi, thank you for mentioning Brass Band. It's available here and I'm most probably going to get it as it gets so many favourite votes and is rated excellent on HMF.

I was going to comment earlier on Markay’s beautiful True Sincerity! it looks like a watercolor painting!! lovely combinations as well!

Elestrial, I’ve heard so many good things about Rozane but I believe on most websites it is up to zone 8 and I’m 9a :( i do have some plants that are zone 8 because until very recently I was still in zone 8b, but I didn’t want to kill them right out of the gate.

One of my family members had Laura Bush Petunias which shockingly bloomed all summer and up until our first Frost this January!! They ordered me a seed packet. I had purple Supertunias but after spring they fried in the sun. I’m not sure if she had them in a desirable spot where they thrived or if they are really that heat tolerant but I hope to find out. I’d like a low mounding purplish colored flower at the base of my plants like that.

where are the Clematis enthusiasts at? I need large single flowered lavender and a large flowered dark purple.

Susan, what an absolute dream you have right there!! crazy beautiful.

I love everyone’s unique styles and approaches so much

Echo, thank you for mentioning the Laura Bush Petunias. That’s another new one for me and I looked them up right away. There are some high recommendations for them as being able to stand up against both heat and cold better than modern hybrids. I’ve never been a big fan of petunias personally, but these have more of a natural, old fashioned air and the rich purple would look good with anything. I think they’d look good in hanging baskets too. I will be adding them to my list of plants to try!

Judi, we will be trying them together :)

I also went ahead and bought Mysty salvia and Starry eyes at your recommendation so I am very much looking forward to this Spring. It is helpful to bounce these ideas off of people who live in warm climates and have tried them already.

SD Shine, they are so tiny for so long - makes sense why people generally prefer buying them in plugs vs starting from seed. Which ones did you get?

Echo, Laura Bush petunias look pretty! I didn't realize the supertunias don't handle the heat well

I believe the Supertunias are supposed to handle heat well. but this was dry, high heat up to like 109, with almost all day direct sunlight. it was very brutal. I had them in the sunniest hottest spot in my yard. I’ll try them again somewhere else. Spring to Early summer they were fine. Vincas are my best bet for annuals here. All the subdivision landscapers use them. They are tough as nails. I even found a cute little subtype with smaller blooms, seen here in pink. Not sure the name, but I will be on the lookout this year for them.

Echo, here are a couple of pics of my Prince Charles clematis trained along the fence of my front yard corral.

Oops, I forgot about General Sikorski clematis climbing into Shockwave tree

This is indeed a good thread. This is the last year that I intend to struggle with getting floribundas to grow; if they fail to thrive again this summer (getting that creeping- black finger-of -death sindrome in August in spite of my efforts at shading , watering, and this year, spraying),I'm ripping them out and going for perennials! and self-sowing, easy annuals. I found two seed sites that look promising-one for perennials ,another with a lot of annuals. This latter site has a vast selection of snapdragons, which interest me a lot,since I see them growing uncultivated here in Italy in stone walls. That means at least some of them must be pretty tough and drought-tolerant.

I posted on the other thread of this title so I'll duplicate it here and add some comments.

Lovely picture of the Nieremburgia! I am a fan of Victoria Blue Salvia since it makes so many other colors play nicely together, and roses don't come in a true blue. I also plant coral impatiens around the base of the coral/white/burgundy bed in front of my house, and lilac pink impatiens in a relatively shady area of the yard with shade-tolerant roses. I use a lot of Persian Shield (strobilanthes) as an annual in relatively part shade areas that really lightens up the purple/dark green tones and "blooms" when nothing else has much color in August.

I wish I could maintain the larkspur or alyssum or snapdragons that other people grow, but mine refuse to establish. I do put some dark red snapdragons in with the burgundy etc. front bed, but they bloom periodically.

Of course every bed has daylilies to fill in when the roses are taking a break, and I love phlox for the same reason. Shadier beds have coral bells and hostas and hydrangeas. Clematis does fabulous in my zone so it tends to get its own support, as most vines could overwhelm most of my roses. Front hot sun beds get filled in with agastache and Gaura for a relatively wild look, and of course I need mums and asters for the fall season.

I have a lot of the purple "Grandma's bonnet" columbine that self seed nicely and politely plus a few white or regular blue ones. I keep several butterfly bushes in various beds and hydrangeas. I have one Annabelle hydrangea that is the size of a minivan and is a gift that keeps on giving. For groundcover I like the Silver Beacon lamium that spreads politely and has a lovely silver sheen with spring pink blooms.

I'm known in my neighborhood more for my bulbs than my roses, though I have 100s of roses. I have 1000s of bulbs and replant tulips every fall. My philosophy is every inch that doesn't have another plant needs a bulb. Planting bulbs in the fall leaves me looking like I wrestled with 20 rabid cats from reaching under roses to plant bulbs.

Realize of course that mixed in all those bulbs are 100s of roses pruned down in the spring...

Cynthia

Truly impressive Cynthia!!!! gorgeous

Susan, love your clematis. They are the perfect colors for me!

I decided on Ramona clematis and also Etoile Violette at the recommendation of another gardener. Ordered from Brushwood where I purchased my other two clematis. Hoping they do well!

Echo, I just bought Etoille Violette last fall! I planted it to climb with Perfume Breeze on an arbor. The other side of the arbor has Lavender Crush. I’m so excited to see how your Etoille Violette grows for you in Texas. We can compare notes as they grow. I can’t remember where I ordered mine from but it was a small plant, so hasn’t done much yet. Hopefully it takes off this spring.

Wow, Judi that sounds absolutely stunning!! i cant wait to see! I hope it takes off well for you. Brushwood is expensive, but the plants are 1 gallon sized and have been really impressed in the past. So many pretty things to look forward to!

Pardon the grass that i need to pull out of this bed (it drives me crazy and I can never get it all out!!!) but my Mystic spires salvia in the background, nepeta at the front and a dwarf salvia also in the front is starting to pop! russian sage is also to the left (not flowering yet) but hopefully when everuthing is blooming ane mature it will be waves of purple 💜

I need to go back and read to catch up on this thread.

Does anyone here grow Agastache?? I know it probably likes drier climates than mine but I ordered two lol. One is Apricot Sprite and the other is Rosie Posie. Does anyone have pictures of their Agastaches? Growing Tips?

I am trying them in the vertical Greenstalk Planter and when/if they reseed, I will throw seeds into my raised veggie beds. I am planting them up high, on the top tiers of the vertical planters, so the cats wont be tempted to get hummingbirds lol. I planted some seeds as well but they havent came up yet.

I also just ordered some African Blue Basil and Pineapple Sage.These I have grown often before. Last year I had a 5ft tall and wide- African Blue Basil and I forgot about taking cuttings before it froze (then snowed lol) The ABB is a huge hit here with our bees. I already have bees this spring looking for it! Honeybees and Carpenter Bees are flocking to the area I had the ABB in last fall. They see me outside go to the area then come buzz me, then go straight back to where the ABB was!! We have had hummingbirds buzz us to refill the feeders but never bees! We did have a hummer that would fly into my hubbys garage if he left the door open and sit on top of the florescent light and watch him. It was the funniest thing.

African Blue Basil

Pineapple Sage (a tall salvia that smells like pineapple) you can put the leaves in tea or some people bake the leaves on muffins or cakes etc.

This turkey liked to snack on a few blossoms.

Sultry, I grow Agastache. I kind of have a love/hate relationship with it. My best one so far is Desert Solstice, but then, I live in a hot, dry climate. I have Blue Boa as well and it gets kinda ratty for me. The stems are really brittle at the base, so my cats and dogs are constantly messing them up. I still love agastache just because they are so tough and come back reliably year after year for me. I would love to try several of the varieties that are highly rated, such as Rosie Posie and Morello. Pink Pearl is a newer one out on the market and really appeals to me.

Thank you Judi! I really debated ordering agastache because I know I dont have the best climate for it. We are having a horrible wet spring so I am hoping that means a hot dry summer! Really just a dry summer but that would be wishing for too much lol. I looked up your Desert Solstice Agastache. It is a really pretty pink! I saw High Country Gardens has a lot of agastache plants. They have sooo many pretty ones! I ordered my two from etsy and it has really been hit or miss, with etsy for me this year. This seller has good reviews so we will see.

I have some Navajo Sunset & Apache Sunset seeds that I havent planted yet from Baker Creek.

Agastache are also pretty easy to grow from seed and they bloom in the first season from seed! Swallowtail seeds has some nice varieties.

Sultry, High Country Gardens is where my Desert Solstice came from. They are a good company.

Markay thanks, I will have a look. I like Swallowtail seeds. I usually buy zinnias and cosmos seeds from them. I actually get better germination from them than a lot of other companies.

Judi, I was confused at first because I was thinking that High Country Gardens was the same company as High Country Roses (that I do like). I guess not haha. I am glad to hear that High Country Gardens is also a good resource. I forgot which agastache seeds that I already planted. I put them in the greenstalk. I will have to look at the tag.

Judi, you could try the Mango Tango or Apricot Sprite to go with your orange flowered rose bed. I am into orange flowers right now!

Another topic: A flower I miss growing is Cleome! I never see anyone posting about them. I used to grow pink, lavender, & white cleomes. They do get fairly tall and need to go towards the back of the border but butterflies etc loved them. The big box stores at my old house (East coast of N FL) had them out every spring. I haven't seen any here. I haven't tried them from seed before.

Judi, thanks for the tip about High Country Gardens! I just ordered some glad bulbs from them. They do have some terrific agastaches, too… but rather pricey. I’ll go look at my local nursery and if I can’t find what I want there, I’ll try High Country Gardens. Next year — from seed!

I ‘m lucky that neither of our present dogs have a hankering for bulbs. Our beloved departed terrier, Desmond, couldn’t leave them alone—dug ‘em up as soon as I planted them. I hope he’s feasting on bulbs in Doggie Heaven.

Sultry, Blue Boa Agastache is my go-to one. I ordered Blue Boa, Heronswood Mist, and Black Adder Agastache from Annies several years ago, but the Blue Boa was the one that seems to love my climate. The other two eventually croaked. Blue Boa is constantly in bloom, plus, it re-seeds like crazy. Which can be a bit of a problem, but I don't think I'll ever need to buy another plant of it! My climate is medium humid (~2 miles from the coast), but not hot. I haven't tried any non-blue/purple ones, since that is the color I crave most. BTW, I also love African Blue basil!

Sylvia, thats so crazy about your little dog, Desmond, loving to eat up your bulbs! I haven't had any dogs that did that but we have plenty of other critters who definitely do (feral pigs, possums, armadillos, etc), or would do it (our own domestic pigs), given a chance lol.

Susan, Blue Boa, Heronswood Mist (What a romantic name!) and Black Adder all look beautiful. I do like the blues too! Its interesting that some of the agastaches say they have anise scented leaves and some have rootbeer scented leaves. I read one has a rose-mint scented foliage. I gather the flowers are also scented but a different scent from the leaves?

I grow lots of different kinds of basil besides the African Blue Basil. I let some flower and go to seed. The pollinators love those basil flowers as well. I just thought I would mention that one could grow any kind of basil for bees if they can't find the ABB for sale. My lemon basil grew into little shrubs kind of like the ABB does. One year I grew a ton of them and they reseeded (or maybe birds dropped the seeds) all over the front yard in random places the next spring. I just let them be and we had so many bees and butterflies on the flowers and birds coming to eat seeds that year. They were pretty drought tolerant in the sandy soil we had then. The lemon basil is also good for tea or flavoring fish or chicken dishes etc.

Sultry, i have grown Blue boa. I really prefer the look of it, but the bloom time for me was much shorter than for the salvia. I have sprinkled salvia everywhere and it just blooms all season for me and always looks lush.

You guys have me rethinking some of my spaces and they really need more flower power. More delphiniums, more Foxglove and more Dahlias, more height.

Sultry, I am considering one of the Orange Agastaches for my orange bed, but haven’t ordered any yet. I can’t figure out why I never see any agastaches in nurseries around here. They love this climate and are so tough and drought resistant and so beautiful, so I would think they would be popular here. I have ordered all of mine so far. Are you saying your African Blue Basil gets 5 ft tall??? I had no idea. I’ve seen several people post how much they love it and wanted to try some, but wasn’t prepared for something that huge.

How long do agastache bloom for y’all? do y’all cut them back to keep them blooming?

Yes they can get quite tall and wide here, due to all the rain and humidity I guess lol. The good news is, you can cut them back and they will still bloom. So you can keep them on the shorter side if you need to. Like most shrubby plants, cutting back makes them branch out more which means more branches which means more flowers for the pollinators.

Also, I always pinch all my basil varieties back when they are little. Once they are about 8 inches high, you can pinch/snip off the top stem back to a few sets of leaves. This will encourage bushiness. Of course, if you are growing basil for pesto you would keep pinching the flower stalks off to keep the leaves going as long as possible.

You can do it to zinnias and other flowers too.

I already trimmed the top leaves off my zinnias to make them wider. I was really crazy and planted mine in late Feb, so some already had over 6 leaves. it was a gamble that appears to have paid off. Yes, I don’t let my basil go to seed to keep the leaves for cooking. but for example, my salvia will get tall but continue flowering even if I dont trim them. My salvia will flower from the time they leaf out in spring until first frost whether I shape them or not. I shape my nepeta, blackfoot daisies, and russian sage, but they too will keep flowering most of the warm season. I deadheaded my black eyed susans and my coneflowers and they will give a second flush of blooms which will usually give them about 8 weeks of blooming. but my agastache was probably only month or so, despite trimming off the spent flowers once. I grew them for two seasons but only got one short flush of blooms both times. maybe it’s some other factor but thank you for helping me

Sultry, the Agastache leaves are definitely fragrant, but I'm not sure how to describe them... I guess a combo of anise and root beer and mint is close... strongly herby? I regularly cut the spent blooms off, and they bloom pretty constantly from spring through fall. If Annie's was still around, I'd probably try another of Heronswood Mist and Black Adder, because they were beautiful too. My African Blue basil rarely gets larger than 12-18", but I grow them in pots. I also deadhead them regularly to encourage new growth so I can make new cuttings (sometimes I forget) and they rebloom like crazy too. I use regular basil for cooking, but honestly I don't use all that much, so the blooms are a top goal for me for the bees and butterflies. Mystic Spires is my favorite salvia. It's so interesting to look at the zones of the folks commenting here and their varying results: hot dry, hot humid, mod. humid cool-ish.

Judi, I never see agastache in the nurseries here. I almost never see salvias either. Sometimes Lowes etc has salvias. I miss the nurseries where we used to live they carried more. If I drive to Tallahassee there are good nurseries there but its quite the drive so I mostly order stuff online. The Apicot Sprite and Pineapple Sage should arrive today. They are starter size plants (small). If they look good, I will reveal the source haha. They were fairly cheap.

Echo, glad the early planting this spring has worked out for you. I should have started everything earlier. My tomatoes this year, are way behind. We had a crazy 5th of never, snowstorm this winter and it was so unusually cold, I just didnt start everything when I knew I should have lol. That's my story and Im sticking to it :) Its sounds like you have a lot of nice flowers for pollinators. I need to plant some coneflowers in my new garden. I still have my Amistad & Ember's Wish salvias. I planted some ither salvia seeds in a greenstalk. We will see if they come up. I did plant one Nepeta seed Mix called Grandview. I have some reg Catnip seed that just came up. Its impossible to keep Catnip for long with our barn kitties. They always find it and destroy it. This time I put in up in the Greenstalk😆. We will see how long it takes till they find it and figure out how to get to it, haha!

Susan, I looked up Mystic Spires. It is beautiful and sound like a good salvia for pollinators. It is fun seeing what all everyone is growing in different climates. It does seem like there is quite a bit that will grow almost everywhere.

I just bought two of the disk-shaped hummingbird feeders with the built in ant moats. They come apart for cleaning very easily. My old one like it got broke so I will be glad to have this style again. I have fancier feeders but they are harder to clean. I like the ant moats because we have fire ants here which are very aggressive trying to get in the bird feeders etc.

https://www.amazon.com/Jiacenird-Hummingbird-Feeders-Leak-Proof-Cleaning/dp/B094R1P1DH/ref=mp_s_a_1_12?adgrpid=163568594830&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kSgC44wIIVEuSHmr3B6xVUPqy4whrRHiATPQANFKUOjyQUfPrYo1VeMY0G8p0wU6JnIoi8EvH17szMtFLLoCKqrpy8QnrdWsfvKQXVizlLDd5Hib0wKPKsgjcZ1mcP1QL50xJGCaODKgyiVm0_SsdprDM-YxewuIf01aAYup_qVQmVLYxUYGXJuggI1WoPwhcjiuxyuGw7Zbadr1SCLuYQ.zUPbZlbJoWTacHOcRZE89KWg1ulEXEJD4ZRwjUyAlA4&dib_tag=se&hvadid=692996476723&hvdev=m&hvexpln=68&hvlocphy=1015231&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=12849222460205428024--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=12849222460205428024&hvtargid=kwd-356429041145&hydadcr=17219_13422503&keywords=amazon+hummingbird+feeder&mcid=72cfc324af513b609e88b5b9d2180f5b&qid=1743606307&sr=8-12

Update: The Pineapple Sage & Apricot Sprite Agastache just arrived from Etsy. The seller is Gingers Greenhouse. These are starter plants so I expected them to be small. They look really good and have decent roots. Pineapple sage leaves smell divine! I have missed this plant! Agastche smells minty with a hint of Root Beer! These will go into small pots and out on my patio in slanted morning sun for several days. I have empty hanging baskets on the porch eaves that I use to put my mail order plants in, while they get acclimated. Then I plant them in more sun.

prices were: Golden Pineapple Sage $8, Agastache $9 shipping for both =$5.50, tax $1.09 So total was $23.59 If you watch etsy and put things in your cart and wait, sometimes the sellers will send you coupons for 10% off or more. They also have sales. Most of the time I have good luck with etsy and ebay. I am very picky and read reviews lol.

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