Welcome to the Kitchens Forum Krit!

The answer to your question is, "it depends". It depends primarily on the amount of wall space you have and, to some extent, the overall layout of the space. Too little space and it will be cramped. So, without more information, we cannot tell you if it would be crowded in your case. How long is the wall?

Honestly? Having the sink & range along the same wall can be an excellent setup. Again, it all depends on the space. Can you follow the Kitchen workflow?

Kitchen workflow:

Refrigerator > Sink (for prepping) > Prep Workspace > Range > Sink (for cleanup)

An "L" with the sink along one wall and the range on an adjacent wall is also a nice setup.

Both the "L" and on the same wall means you don't have to carry items (e.g., pot of boiling water) across an aisle - you can slide it, if necessary (e.g., if you have an injury or arthritis or other issue with carrying a heavy item).

What do you need to make the "same wall" layout work

• There should be a bare minimum of 36" b/w the sink and range - 42" to 48" is much better.
• The DW should not be b/w the sink and range.
• There should be 18" to 24" counterspace b/w a wall or end of a counter run and the range.
• There should be 18" to 24" counterspace b/w a wall or end of a counter run and the sink.

So,

• 21" counterspace + 30" range + 42" counterspace + 30" sink + 24" DW = 147" (12'3")
• Do you have at least 12'3" along the wall?

Let me make this simple

You draw and measure the kitchen you have. Every last wall, window , and passage....feet and inches noted

Pictures of the current space are helpful, all angles

Upload all as jpegs in comments below

Please do as Jan asks. :-)

I have 65" between sink and range top, no problems or crowding. The hood/range top are the focal points b/c they are closest to the center of the open plan.

But again, until we see your space & the dimensions ... what works in my house doesn't necessarily work in yours.

See the Featured Answer in the "New to Kitchens? Read Me First!" thread.

You also don't need to think of a literal triangle. Not all situations need it. This all depends on your space as others have said. My range and sink are on the same wall because of plumbing and gas line locations. I've cooked in many other kitchens like that. You could have 30" between the two or you could have 100" between the two. Those different scenarios yield different responses. That's why everyone wants more info.

Without the to scale plan we cannot help

Every kitchen is different. Every cook is different. So, not only does this depend on your layout, it depends on how you use your sink.

For example, if your kitchen has fridge -> sink -> range with the minimum distances between them, BUT you tend to have a lot of dishes drying on a drying mat adjacent to the sink, then the dishes become a problem in your work flow (you have to pick stuff up to move it around your sink, and you might not have enough countertop to stage your cooking). OR if you/your partner (if present) both like to be in the kitchen at the same time and one person is at the sink doing dishes while the other is cooking, that situation can get a bit crowded.

So, like everyone else is saying, it depends.

I would argue that most of us who have been on the kitchen forum for awhile would say that the perfect set up would be cleanup sink on the perimeter outside the work zone and a prep sink on the island. In case you want another option to spin on. LOL

I prefer to have my sink and stove on the same run of counter. Right now I have to wash veggies and prep then pick it all up to move to the stove - I really dislike it. My favorite setup is to have about 4 - 5 ft between the sink and stove for my prep zone.

Thank you so much everyone. Here is a proposed sketch with dimensions of the space that will become the kitchen. Just playing around to see how everything fits...

The skretch above falls a little short of a scale drawing. Way more measurenents needed to give you the help you’re asking for.

Here's a sample of what we're looking for:

From the thread I linked to previously:

Please post a fully-measured layout of the space under consideration and a sketch of the entire floor. Both can be either hand-drawn, computer generated, or drawn up with computer/app tools.

By "fully-measured", we mean a layout with the widths of each wall/window/door/doorway and the distances between each wall/window/door/doorway labeled. See a sample above. If something cannot be moved or changed, label it precisely on your layout (see post in sample) and tell us why it cannot be moved/changed -- we may have some ideas for you.

The sketch of the entire floor lets us see how the Kitchen relates to the rest of the home. It doesn't have to be to-scale, but it should accurately show how the rooms relate to each other and should include all interior & exterior doors. In addition, it will help us see how traffic flows in, around, and through the Kitchen. Label the front entry and family entry. The family entry is usually a garage or side entry, but it might not be. It's helpful to know which door you use to bring in groceries.

Regardless of how you draw it up (by hand, computer, etc.), please be sure all measurements are labeled. (Note: Computer generated layouts often lack key measurements and, sometimes, measure to/from things like the middle of a wall or the middle of a window. Neither are useful. Measure each item and the distances between each item.)

Everything else being equal, I prefer to have the sink and stove in an L configuration. But not everything else is equal.

Lord help me please.....

Now....... where are you eating?

How many people in the kitchen? Kids? How many?

Entering from WHERE? a mud room?

The island will need a prep sink, because your picture window will beg a sink ( clean up )

Does the PICTURE window need same place or can move?

A sink on an island.......really needs 48 inch depth- you will crowd your passages.

Making a range a focal point demands a HOOD. Where will a microwave go?

What about pantry space?

Do you want a cook top and wall oven? Or just a range? What size.....30 or 36" and what type?

Most importantly? We are not seeing the WHOLE OF THE LIVING FLOOR. We are not seeing the"new family room" or anything else.

Thank you for your insights and guidance. This is the very first time I have ever considered embarking on such a project, so thanks in advance for your tips and patience. I will definitely get graph paper and re measure and try to draw out the first floor plan as best as I can to give a full view and add comments. Thanks all.