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How to stack two Miele Ovens?

8 months ago

I'd love some advice. I purchased a Miele DGC 7845 Combi Steam Oven and a H 7640 BM AM Speed Oven / Microwave. The intent was to have these installed in a stacked configuration with a minimal gap between the two, similar to many online pictures I see with various Miele appliances stacked.


However, our appliance folks installed these today and there's quite a large gap between them. Our contractor is suggesting they can't actually be installed closer together with a minimal gap.


My questions to those who have experience with Miele appliances:

  • Can they be installed with a minimal gap between the top and bottom oven? (eg just enough for the door of the top one to open)
  • If so, what have folks used to support the top oven? Can you use a 3/4" cabinet panel and is it ok to get it close to the top of the bottom oven so it's just tucked behind the glass? Or do you need something thinner, which may require a different material choice?

I'm confused because our contractor is saying it can't be done but I see many pictures online where it's been done, so am trying to track down the actual specs/requirements (I can't seem to find the drawings online for these two specific items stacked) as well as how people actually do this in practice. Thanks in advance!!!!


Comments (19)

  • 8 months ago

    Look at the installation manuals for these units. They have minimum clearances for the lower edge of the lower door.


    Seems to me the only real constraint is the thickness of whatever material the upper oven is sitting on. But look at the manuals to figure it out.

  • 8 months ago

    If you want more explanation call Miele Tech Support.

  • PRO
    8 months ago

    This should have been discussed with your CABINET company, with the firm specs and installation requirements for each oven , in hand . You need the help line and the entire Library Manual, proud or flush installation etc.

    sampling below. It could be anything.....he is doing or not.






  • PRO
    8 months ago

    All Jan just said. There are always install specs that need to be followed and what you see in a picture is not always possible with your stuff.

  • 8 months ago
    last modified: 8 months ago

    Based on the two-oven installation drawing and page 106 of the installation instructions, it appears that the distance between the ovens can be as little as 3/16". This is accomplished, I think, by recessing the front of the shelf that supports the upper oven so that the top of the lower-oven's door hides the upper-oven's shelf. This allows the ovens to be very close together. Your installer didn't do this which is why you see the edge of the upper-oven's shelf.

  • 8 months ago

    @wdccruise - I saw this as well and this was my hunch. I couldn't tell, though, how far it was allowed to recess the shelf that supports the upper oven. (e.g. can that shelf go all the way down to the top of the lower oven? I have reached out to Miele as well but if anyone here has already figured this out w/ Miele, would love to hear that.

  • 8 months ago

    I looked at the manual for a Miele steam oven (not necessarily your model) and the minimum clearance under the lower edge of the door was 7 mm. Presumably that is too allow the door to open.


    Might be different for your model of oven.


    You can look at your oven, open and close the door, see how much clearance is required. You can also consult the manual for your model of oven. You also don’t want to have the absolute minimum clearance, but rather to have a little extra. Instead of 1/4”, maybe 3/8” or 1/2”.

  • 8 months ago

    At this point in the project, decreasing the gap between the oven will increase the gap between the top of the top oven and the bottom of the door. Six of one/ half dozen of another.

    What you have looks fine. I wouldn't risk damaging stuff with backtracking.

    You could use a strip of brushed stainless steel to cover the gap, making the two units look more like one unit. Not sure how you could adhere the metal strip and not have it come unglued because of oven heat. Best to leave it alone & focus on a real problem, IMO.

  • PRO
    8 months ago
    last modified: 8 months ago

    This is the kind of thing that "disappears" after a week of kitchen use.

    You didn't have enough due diligence at the start , with the specs for both ovens, with your cabinet source.

    Leave well enough alone, or risk the cabinetry.

  • 8 months ago

    For the life of me, I can’t understand why this is bugging you so.

    This is my son’s very new kitchen, while still in progress. See his Miele stacked steam oven and speed oven on the right? This is a very high end kitchen. Even here, there is a narrow space between the two appliances where a piece of the appliance cabinet face shows.

    There has to be some space between the two, otherwise the speed oven door wouldn’t open. Also, the there is support for the steam oven in that space.

    As long as what you’re seeing is a piece of cabinetry stained like eveything else, why should it matter if it shows?

  • 8 months ago

    JAN MOYER: "You didn't have enough due diligence at the start"

    Remember that the installation manual doesn't show how to install stacked ovens. It doesn't even mention that the ovens can be stacked, only that "More installation drawings are available on the Miele website" (but we're not going to tell you where or which drawing applies to your appliances). The installation instructions just show you how to install one oven and the installer has to really analyze the text-free drawings to recognize their significance for a stacked-oven setup.

  • 8 months ago

    I think you can probably mount the ovens close enough to have only a 3/8” space. However, I don’t think it’s worth fussing over. Paint the offending strip of wood between the ovens black and call it a day.

    Kitchens Are For Cooking. They Are Not Art.


  • PRO
    8 months ago

    If you had the room, you could have them side by side. I love that look, and it's practical--no bending down to the lower oven.

  • last month

    That install is wrong, Miele has a guide on how to install their oven stacked


    https://us.mieleusa.com/MieleMedia/docs/products/specs/pdf/Miele_DesignGuide_v7.pdf


    The relevant page is 36 of that manual



  • PRO
    last month

    I have no idea the installer should have read the install instructions and if not what you wanted maybe not possible. Pictures in a magazine are not real life often maybe no one used the ovens in the pics . I see nothing really bad about yours so I guess pick your battles is this one worth it only you know

  • last month

    Alan W: "That install is wrong, Miele has a guide on how to install their oven stacked"

    The problem was that the installation instructions only stated, "More installation drawings are available on the Miele website" instead of referencing the Design Guide. Absent the Design Guide, the installer had to study page 106 of the installation manual to figure out how to size the upper oven's shelf to allow the ovens to be as close together as possible.

  • last month

    We did a wider gap between our Miele CSO XXL and our Miele coffee machine as it put each appliance at the best height for their use.

  • last month

    wdccruise, that's on the Installer. They should have looked for the referenced additional instructions if it wasn't clear from the normal install (which it is), that only the smallest amount of space is necessary below the appliance.


    It may also be a failing of the retailer. Mine handed the installer a printout of the Design Guide, which is the only reason I knew there was one available on the site for "Trades".