Do Clibers Improve Blooming Once They Climb Over Structure?

last year

Having just recently planted my Don Juan on the other side of the deck, I wonder whether I will have to wait until it grows long enough to go past the lattice and through the rails to come out into the sunlight on the deck.

Right now, being so short it is shaded by the deck and overall, it doesn't receive a whole lot of sun throughout the day. Should I expect that it will keep growing up even without blooming?

Might as well since he needs to focus on expanding canes and building strong roots anyway, no need for bloom now.

I just hope that once he gets up there, the bloom will improve since that part of the deck receives quite a bit of sun.

I had the same situation with Pinkie - he basically did not bloom at all for the first 2-3 years but once he matured over the deck rail, he became a workhorse.

Hopefully, it will take Don Juan less time to get established. I just hope he can grow in the shade too - until he reaches the light - and then we'll talk bloom.

I do adore his color and since I never grew any red roses except Munstead (which is not really a red rose for me), I had almost forgotten that deep crimson red is my favorite color, as much as garish cherry-red (as in Dick Clark), is my least favorite color EVER.

When red is deep and velvety with touches of purple, it is exquisite. When it is brash and bright, it is unbearable - at least to me. :)

I find Don Juan's bloom exquisite and now I am thinking to get a floribunda or hybrid tea too in a scrumptious deep red. I heard a lot of good things about Velvet Fragrance.

But I digress.

Have you had a similar experience with climbers? Planted on one side of a shading structure so until they mature, they get little sun but a lot more after they reach the top?

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marcindy

last year

I second (or third) everything that has been said so far. It is far safer to plant DJ in the ground if you can't watch it throughout the growing season. Another advantage is that it is now also developing strong roots in its first year (the sleeping year). I think you will be amazed how much more growth DJ will produce later this summer and especially next year. And I know it's hard, but consider not letting it bloom much this year. Ok, maybe a few blooms at a time. That way all the energy goes into vegetative growth.

Now, while you wait for DJ to start peaking over your deck you could always buy another rose of your preferred color as a consolation for having to wait a year or two for DJ to make an appearance (and yes I realize, I am enabling a fellow rosarian... I am hoping for the same treatment in return..lol)

Artist, I totally agree with you, the brash red color is a turn off, the deep velvety crimson red is breathtaking! Good luck, I think the Don Juan climber will look stunning there in no time!

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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
last year
I think all climbers bloom much more as they mature. If Don Juan is small, you could pot him and grow him in the sun until he is stronger.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
last year
That would also be my suggestion, but I think she's already planted it.
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Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA
Original Author
last year
I did. :(

There's another issue: we will be out of the country for a few weeks and I don't want to leave the house-sitter with too many pots to baby sit, so I am putting in the ground anything I can.

I was just wondering if the plant will grow even without too much sun.

The plant is not small, as in spindly or not-vigorous. It was just cut for selling and it needs to grow back up. I will post a picture below.
Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA
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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
last year
If you are gone and cannot babysit DJ, the ground is safer. Good luck with him.
Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA
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last year
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@marcindy and @Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR

Thank you both for confirming my plans are good. This is helpful.

And marcindy, on the secondary plan - this is exactly what I had in mind, so I am not going to blame my addiction on a kind fellow "enabler." (lol): get a glorious crimson red floribunda that would work well in a large container to go right there on the deck, waiting for DJ to join (some day :)).

Crimson rdeep red is my absolute favorite all around color in everything, yet somehow I was growing none like this in terms of a rose.

I waited for Pinkie on the other side of the deck 6 years to do what it did this spring. Six years! So I am taking it easy with DJ, letting him do its thing and yes, I plan to cut every blessed flower and bring it inside so he can focus on growing roots and canes and foliage. After all, nobody's going to see the flowers on that side of the deck anyway. Not that I expect many since it will face quite a bit of shade until he gets to be a big boy and climb on the deck where there's plenty of direct sunlight.

Now on the intermediary fix: if anyone would recommend a crimson red floribunda with these traits I would greatly appreciate it:

Very floriferous, bloom machine, continuous as much as possible.

Ideally round bush habit, a bit blousy, doesn't grow too tall and rigid like HTs, good for containers.

Deep crimson, "passionate" red :), kind of like DJ's - but nothing brash (like Dick Clark) or orange red like Ring of Fire or Coral Drifts etc.

The color of Dark Desire makes me swoon but that's not good for container, neither is it bushy.

High resistance to black spot.

Thank you all for any recommendations to tie me over for DJ. I will probably not get it until fall anyway since all inventories are pretty low right now, but it is good to know what I should get ahead of time.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
last year
I think there was a recent post on this very subject. Let me see if I can find it
judijunebugarizonazn8
last year
Artist, I believe it was BenT who recommended Janice Kellog to Moses who asked pretty much the same question. I looked it up and was very impressed. A bit hard to find, though.
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Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA
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last year
@judijunebugarizonazn8

Thank you, that looks like a great rec! I was looking at Gyspy Soul - the color seems gorgeous, but I think Janice would be more bushy and blousy. Very beautiful...but you're right, who carries it?
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
last year
Here is a LINK with many relevent discussions. I hope you'll find one useful!
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Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA
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@Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley

Thank you so much! It looks great.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
last year
And ANOTHER!
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