Autumn Damask Rose

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Who here grows Autumn Damask? I ordered several from Heirloom and High Country; however, one of my roses (from Heirloom) is way more vigorous. It produces several of these mega clusters of over 30 roses on just one branch and sends up shoots like crazy. It is planted near another Autumn Damask (also from Heirloom), both planted at the same time, get the same amount of sun, neglect and are not watered much. Anyone else have something like this?

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E Leon
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last month

Yes, so interesting…I am not sure if it’s just a vigorous clone or sport? It’s the only one like this and all are grown in the same area. Hey I’m not complaining haha. I have dug up several suckers and potted them up. Here is a pic from this morning of a cluster, not the biggest one either.

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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
last month
Wow, I am no help not having this rose. It looks extra happy to me. I have seen that where the plants differ for no obvious reason.
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woodrose
last month
I'm not sure, but I believe your rose is diseased. The bunches of blooms and excessive thorniness are symptoms of RRD. I'm so sorry, and I hope I'm wrong.
E Leon
Original Author
last month
@woodrose hmm not sure, hopefully not! Haha There is no leaf or flower distortion. I see what you mean about the excessive thorniness. It’s been like that for several years now, foliage always looks good. Time will tell, I guess.
ElfRosa
last month
I have Autumn Damask and this looks very abnormal to me. While it does produce blooms in dense sprays and is a very thorny rose, they don't look like this and the excessive red thorns seem like a red flag for Rose Rosette Disease. You might want to post this in the Antique Roses forum to get thoughts from others who know this rose.
E Leon
Original Author
last month
Will do, thank you!
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
last month
Where are you located, E Leon?
E Leon
Original Author
last month
I am in Los Angeles, the San Fernando valley area, zone 9b. It’s very hot and dry here. I went to look at the rose again this afternoon and noticed the excessive thorniness is only on the very new growth where it suckered and flowered. Not sure if that is significant or not. Below are some pics of how most of the rose bush looks like. Thoughts?
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
last month
My Munstead Wood can have scary new growth that has all settled to normal. We are not RRD afflicted here yet.
Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA
last month
@E Leon

That looks nothing like RRD.
E Leon
Original Author
last month
@Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA thank you! 😅
MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet
last month
Interesting! I have 'Autumn Damask', but mine has never done this! Mine is an own-root from ARE. Mine has also not ever rebloomed. Its growth is vigorous, lanky, and just weird sometimes.
E Leon
Original Author
last month
Hi MIGreenThumb, your rose looks pretty good. Mine has not rebloomed much, it’s been in the ground a few years now. Hopefully it will start to soon. How is the scent?
My Autumn Damasks from High Country seem to be a little different than the ones I have from Heirloom.
ElfRosa
last month
I wonder if we actually know how to identify RRD on roses with unusual habits? Almost all the information I've seen is specific to hybrid tea types or landscape roses like Knockouts.
MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet
last month
@ElfRosaPNW8b I say yes, absolutely.

Those of us here in the Midwest or Great lakes areas can readily identify it on Rosa multiflora which is highly susceptible to it, and 22 years ago I had a galica fall victim to the virus.

The distinctive symptoms present themselves very well and surprisingly similarly across many different varieties of roses.
MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet
last month
Follow-Up: I can see how it would make more sense for somebody from the Pacific Northwest to not be able to properly identify it because from my understanding, the disease is not present in your area and you should be very thankful for that!
ElfRosa
last month
@MiGreenThumb (Z5b S.Michigan/Sunset 41) Elevation: 1091 feet Then why is this particular example being discussed so differently? These same features on a hybrid tea type would not be escaping scrutiny.
ElfRosa
last month
Your diatribe is shameful, and you seem to have missed that the OP (E Leon) does not live in the PNW.