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Farm/Pasture/Home Layout Help

11 months ago
last modified: 11 months ago

Hi! I'm helping my brother plan out the layout of his farm, and would love ideas. It's about 14 acres, including a pond. He wants to have animals (variety of types, hobby farm only) and he'd like them to have pastured-in access to the lower pond.

A few things to note about the property:

- Located in the piedmont of NC

- There are 2 access point options, both marked in green. The northwest access point is the established "family" road. The southeast access point would be an option I believe, but is not ideal due to requiring a very long driveway (plus brother's desire to come off the "family road"). He of course has the option to follow the paved family road down by mine and my sister's home and come off of there, but we are running into pasture fencing logistical concerns.

- The line connecting the two ponds, while it does occasionally hold water, is not a stream and is more of a damp run-off area. It can be crossed by foot at all times (maybe with some wet shoes), so no concerns about a driveway or animals being able to successfully cross over

- The blue dotted line is a gas line ROW, so no permanent structures such as barns, homes, sheds, etc. can be placed on top of it. It adds a slight amount of driveway expenses to cross it, but it's not astronomical.

- Ideally, his home and barn would be in the east-most section of his property, to protect my view as well as my sisters, plus we'd love to look out front over pasture.

I'm trying to get ideas of placement of the following:

- Home

- Barn

- Pasture Fencing

- Driveway

Would love your thoughts on possible layouts that can check all these boxes!


Comments (16)

  • 11 months ago

    Will he be hiring an architect?

  • 11 months ago

    @apple_pie_order - I doubt it! He's....frugal ;) If I thought I could convince him to do that, I'd probably not have to crowdsource on Houzz! lol

  • 11 months ago

    For such an expensive undertaking, I would hire an architect who has experience with local farms. Both architect and contractor would have to walk the property to understand the situation. Houzz may not have many commenters with farm experience.


    Adding the rough location or nearest city to your post would help since climate and geography make a big difference. Houzz gives a certain amount of time to make changes, after that you can add info in the comments section.

  • 11 months ago

    @apple_pie_order - I don't disagree with any of your points - I would (and did, for mine), hire an architect too :) Added to the post just now that we are in the piedmont of NC. Just looking for ideas - not a "this will definitely work out" type plan.

  • PRO
    11 months ago

    Keep the livestock spaces downwind.

  • 11 months ago

    I think that land has a "feel". And where you site a house is both a 2D function (on a map, aerial view, etc), and utilities - but also on a farm property it's a function of soil conditions and appropriateness (not to mention areas that will support a traditional septic.


    We have 15 acres - we walked it and found the right place - you need the sightlines, the "feel", the proximity to septic, water source, access, wetlands etc.


    I really don't think we can help much.

  • PRO
    11 months ago

    What Mark said.

  • 11 months ago

    @just_janni - I agree. No concerns on septic in our area, definitely not in my brother’s lot. I grew up on this land so I have a bit of a mental block for the possibilities because all I can see is what it‘s always been. Mostly looking for creative minds out there to throw out some ideas on placements to get mine flowing. I’m sure if someone threw one out that didn’t have the right ”feel”, I’d recognize that immediately, but can’t have a reaction without an idea to react to :)

  • PRO
    11 months ago
    last modified: 11 months ago

    A pro in his area with experinece in farm layout is a heck of a lot better than crowd sourcing and getting 100s of ideas that are not helpful. I am not familiar with how to lay out a farm for instance . I love what Mark posted so maybe find that book for your brother

  • 11 months ago

    @patricia - As mentioned in other comments, I am aware of the limitations of crowd sourcing, as well as the benefits of a professional.


    @mark - thank you very much!

  • 11 months ago

    I am frugal too but hard to imagine DIY’ing the largest investment he will likely make in his lifetime - FWIW in my area good builders wouldn’t work on a project like this without a design pro, so would be good to make sure he doesn’t end up with a substandard team

  • 11 months ago
    last modified: 11 months ago

    1- He could get a 3-D model of the property and the surrounding area from a firm that prints from the digital topo maps. Mark easements and prevailing wind direction (thanks to Mark Bischak) with tape or Sharpie. Then a "house" and "barn" pair of Lego blocks (Monopoly hotels, dice, dried beans, or whatever) could be moved around on the model. A drone video would be useful, too- pretty good drones are under $100). He will need a professional survey before he can get permits.

    2- For someone who is frugal, taking advantage of existing roads is a good idea. Grading and laying hundreds of feet of gravel for a new private road or driveway gets expensive fast. So he could start his exploration of possible locations by limiting his search to the area next to the "sisters" access road.


    Edited to add: Here's a free website at Iowa State University to explore for creation of 3-D maps that can be printed locally. https://touchterrain.geol.iastate.edu/main


  • 11 months ago
    last modified: 11 months ago

    Absolutely consider prevailing winds (along with topography) when placing animal pastures/barns.

    I live in rural Missouri where our prevailing winds come from the southwest. Only a foolish person would construct their new home northeast of their barn in my area.

  • PRO
    11 months ago

    Not nearly enough information to even start to hazard a guess at a bad layout. You need to start with a topography map. That is ESSENTIAL. Then you plot local wind and weather specifics as impacting the site. Then soil conditions for cropping vs draining for a septic. Then the specific animal and crop needs come first, before the house needs. You need tractor sheds, hay barns, well house, etc, and all the rest of the outbuildings.


    A hobby farm is a LOT OF WORK, and a huge money outlay, with no income coming in from it. It gets really old, really quick, to be spending 100K every year, just for "fun", and never be able to take a day off from the responsibilities.

  • 11 months ago

    Thanks @Minardi for taking the time to reply. Agree that topography is important - that's why I added the elevation lines in the map as a very general guide. Again, I've lived here my entire life and am familiar with every ditch on this plot shown. We are aware of wind directions and drainage directions and soil qualities. Agree on the involvement of farming, but we are no stranger to the lifestyle and the requirements of it - this $100k is surely an interesting figure ;)

    Would it be easier to continue just farming hay to avoid the thousands and thousands of dollars property taxes we'd owe otherwise? Sure. But they want animals included in their farm and the work that comes with it.


    Because of our intimate knowledge of this land, I'm not afraid to ask for layout ideas. If someone were to plop a barn on top of a flood-susceptible area, or sitting underneath a powerline, I know well enough to accommodate for that - but would that mean that their proposal on fencing/driveway ideas should be thrown out without consideration? Surely not. I'm very much a "linear" thinker - I can see an image and come up with reasons why it will or not work, and vet through pros/cons/non-negotiables, but I'm not a "creative". I've seen many individuals come up with wonderful ideas that I'd have never even considered - so that's what I'm here for.

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