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Kitchen Update Dilemma

5 months ago

What to brighten and update home starting with the kitchen but not sure what will make the most impact. Floors, Cabinets or countertops?

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  • PRO
    5 months ago
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    You've a Totally Tuscan, ( 1995 -2000 years? ) and rustic feeling home. I am not going to lie. "Update" will mean a lot of resources, and even brightening will be a challenge, in a look that has a date stamp.. For me? It would be a gut, even if it was five years up the road..

    In the meantime? Paint and lighting.

    Get rid of the faux effect. Check the bulbs in your recessed lights and go brighter, to led at LEAST 3500k

    For me? After that I stop, until I can gut the kitchen. I would not undertake the cosmetic in painting cabinets, changing tops,the flooring would have to go - it's very busy and then do you love all the contiguous flooring in other areas? Is it hickory? Do you love the layout? I'd be rid of the "breakfast bar" and what is the "wall of wood? " in your second picture?

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  • 5 months ago

    The good news is wood is back. There's no reason for those stools. Bet some realtor suggested their purchase. Paint and demo on the tile would be the most cost effective. Most of that back splash is not necessary anyway and paint can hold the space until you get to more extensive reno.

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  • PRO
    5 months ago

    The first order of business, as Jan mentioned, is the layout. If you are happy with that, then calm down the look--right now it's very busy and chaotic. My thought would be to change the floor, counter tops, backsplash and new paint on the walls. Then the decor items--window treatments, furniture. Your appliances look high end, and if they are working well, leave them be. I like the cabinets and would leave them also. But keep in mind that removing a tile floor is going to be very messy and expensive, and it may not be worth it in the end.

    Here are some great looks for kitchens with stained wood cabinets:


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  • 5 months ago

    The most impact will be Paint. Is this your furniture because this looks like realtor pictures which will not be your furniture? If it were mine I would first paint and get rid of the textured look walls and carry that same new paint colour into the living room. Do you like greens or blues? I find the colours are ALL warm in the kitchen and the living room. You have warm floors, wood cabinets, backsplash and even the fireplace brick. I think once you do that I would live with it for awhile before changing anything else but it would probably be countertops and backsplash next. I feel you should post again once you find some inspiration photos of rooms and styles you really like before you move forward because without that we really do not have any idea how to help you reach that style. Most important however is if this is not your furniture we need to see your style before giving any other suggestions.

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    I'm guessing this is a new to you house because these look like real estate photos.

    I'd paint the walls with the faux treatment a creamy color, get a new chandelier and new shades and live with it for a while.

    Changing the floor will be a big, loud mess so if you are confident in your decorating style and the layout it would make sense to do that before you move in. If not, I would live with them for a while.

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    5 months ago
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    Dark kitchens are always fixed by adding lighting. But, in this case, that won't be enough to do that because of the huge eye crossing pattern overload happening with all of the choices.

    Start with a measured layout, and priming all the faux finished walls. The reality is that Scabos Travertine floor is VERY VERY VERY BOSSY, and that's going to be a huge expense to fix. So, while you are dealing with climbing on a ladder to erase every bit of the sponge paint, factor in a pro for the floors as the first real money spent. Right about $20+ a square to remove, remediate, and replace. What it should be replaced with will depend on how far it extends, and what flooring it meets in the rest of the home, as well as the plans for the whole home. NOT just the kitchen.


    If you decide that you can't spend 50K right out of the gate, then you will end up spending much more to neutralize all of the everything else in the home, which would allow the floor to be THE star. That's just a bad design strategy, and a bad budget strategy.

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    I looked in your ideabooks to see what you like. Is this " light and bright" painted-Tuscan the kind of update you have in mind for current changes?


    Conard Romano Architects · More Info


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  • 5 months ago

    What are you willing to do?

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  • 5 months ago

    If you have just moved in, give it time to see what bothers you the most. When I move I list everything I want to change, group like items together and prioritize. Your priorities will not necessarily be someone else's priorities. I moved six years ago. I don't really like my kitchen, but the primary bath was more irksome, so that came first. I still haven't done the kitchen, and I have been thinking about different ways to configure the cabinetry the whole time. The early 2000's Tuscan look is so overpowering in your kitchen I would want to do a complete remodel, but you may not want to. Just be careful about changing only a couple things. Whenever you do that it can make what's unchanged look even worse. While wood cabinets are popular again, the kind you have aren't. They look like they might be original to the house and the Tuscan elements were later add-ons.

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    what dining spots exist in this home ?...."brightening up" is quite different than "renovating". Important to be clear on goals. Windows adjacent to the kitchen are great...maybe nice area for a larger island if pony wall and desk were removed. ....but is there another dining room? suspect the cabinets arent worth doing all kinds of adjustments around them . Lack of drawers mostly/maybe the layout . Note the hood....have to think about that piece..... everything that I'd think of doing takes the efforts close to a full reno.... so I'd wait , except for painting walls of course.

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    I do agree with everyone that you've got pattern overload. Painting the walls in a warm white would be my first choice. As everyone else said, changing the floor will be messy and expensive. The roman shades look custom and expensive but they just add to the busyness. I would opt for simple, solid color romans or even simple wood blinds. Even simplifying the light fixture will help calm things down a bit. What kind of budget are you working with for changes?

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  • PRO
    5 months ago

    If you have just bought this home, live with the kitchen for a few months and see how you feel about it. If you must do something right now - paint! I am assuming the furniture is from real estate photos. It is too much - so are the window coverings. Take care of that and see how you feel.

    Honestly , the appliances look great , the cabinets are old - oak, dark stain, partial overlay. I would save all my pennies to renovate with new cabinets to the ceiling.

    It may sound crazy, but I really like that floor!

    Take your time! DO NOT make hasty expensive decisions just because!

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  • 5 months ago

    Are you considering buying this house and that is why you are asking?

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    Wow. Tuscany called. it wants 2003 back. ( i had the same look. c-below)

    Right now, paint. Easiest and quickest fix at the moment. That faux finish HAS to go.

    After that, I'd do a complete gut. But you'll need to live in the space for awhile to see what you need to change. You have a nice, large kitchen that I suspect could have a better layout.

    The question is, "how much are you willing to spend"?

    Flooring is expensive.

    Do you plan on keeping all of the wood floor? if so, just redo kitchen flooring.

    If the cabinets are solid wood with quality hardware, soft door closure and rails and in good shape, you can paint those. but even that is a 10K job.

    backsplash you can demo yourself.

    countertops will be another expense.

    removing all the heavy "furniture legs and trim" is something else that can be done.

    Those oak cabinets can be lived with for a bit. (if in good shape) Start by getting some nice hardware.

    this is a before and after w/similar cabs




    same type of oak cabs, with quartz countertop, hardware, and new backsplash.


    I had an almost identical kitchen as far as style, even down to the slate floor. it was 2004. This was the cats meow back then! lmao.


    Custom built solid wood birch cabinets too.

    Same angle today

    there's a large pantry and coffee bar off to the left (and yes, I use my little desk area!)


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  • 5 months ago
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    I agree with @Debbi Washburn, regarding taking your time, and not making hasty decisions. And I, too, can see the beauty of the current floor; I think I would keep it.

    As mentioned- the furnishings shown are likely not yours; and of course a change of furnishings would make a big difference. For other changes: light fixtures, cabinets and backsplash would be my route. The wall paper and window treatments do not bother me- I like the colors and style. But I do understand that the style is not for everyone- and fortunately those things are easy enough to change. The granite is also fine with me; I‘m a granite lover.

    I noticed your space the other day- and created a few visuals. I will look for them and post a few here.


    ETA: I love wood cabinets- but in this case, I think I would paint them- or reface/replace. And with keeping the floor and with the overall space, I would go in the taupe direction for cabinet color. Although you could of course do a light beige or warm white as well.










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  • 5 months ago

    These are realtor photo's our house is currently on the market and we are considering staying and updating. Love all of your thoughts and advice. To answer some of your questions...the wall of wood is actually just the edge of the cabinet. This is my furniture (also replacing) came from previous home and some of it MIL that moved in with us. The rest of the flooring in the house is the wood shown in the picture of the living room. There is a dining room on the other side of the range wall. My fear is what comments eluded to is that this will snowball into much much more. I like the idea of painting which would mean painting whole house as all walls are either a darker color as in living or some faux in bathrooms. Could some paint colors be suggested and I like the idea of the taupe cabinets. I have a starting budget of 50K. Also, would welcome some furnishing recommendations as well.

  • 5 months ago

    For 50k you will need to he very choosy on what you do and what gives you best bang for buck. For me in the kitchen that would be new window coverings, new paint, replace lighting fixtures, possibly hardware. Also new table and chairs as well as stools. In the living space it would be new paint too and new carpet and furniture but you are likely at 50 @ by then or more.

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    The realtor photos are not of good quality. They are not accurately showing the space.


    The living room looks fine. The sectional is good, I Iove the wing chairs, and your rug is beautiful. All good. Just consider a new dining table and chairs- or just new chairs for the existing dining table; also new counter stools and new light fixture.


    The window treatments are really a non-issue. That is personal style, and there is nothing wrong with what you have.


    New hardware on the existing cabinets is not going to make a difference.


    Yes, paint the walls. I didn't read all comments so I don’t know if faux finish or wallpaper- but paint could make a significant difference.


    Beyond that - in this case, I think the biggest bang for your buck would be in painting the cabinets. Plus, changing the backsplash- or just removing it and painting the wall area in an eggshell finish. (Another simpler backsplash option might be to paint over the existing splash- and in this case, just painting over the dark diamond tiles might be enough.)


  • 5 months ago

    If you are selling, I would paint the cupboards white. Paint walls and back splash a light colour. Remove the blinds. Newer style furniture.

    You haven't asked about the living room but I would remove the blue/gray leather chair, and remove the wrought iron grate on the bar. The feet of the sofa should sit on the rug.

    You probably could use the help of a stager to update the decor. My sister sold her house a few years ago and the stager removed every single curtain, except those needed for privacy in the bedrooms. Seemed weird, but it actually looked better and much more up to date even though they were lovely curtains.

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    So it's currently on the market, you being the seller??

    But you've also said you would consider staying and updating?

    Sorry, but which one is it?

    If you're going to sell, is it worth updating? (honestly that kitchen seriously needs to be painted. The faux paint walls is a huge distraction. I would also tone down the tuscan look and get new table/chairs, and diff counter stools.

    I'm sure you're realtor would still get good offers.

    If she thinks you can get another 75K by painting cabs and redoing tile/countertops, spend 15K and have that done. otherwise, leave it.

    what else will it take you to stay in the home and update?

    50K you said. Is that total or just for the kitchen? if for the kitchen, doable if you keep those cabinets and have them professionally painted. 50K can be plenty for new countertops, flooring tile, backsplash, and updating that island (meaning, removing the ornate trim, the heavy legs, adding drawers instead of the doors, etc.



    Hows the location?

    Is there anything else in the home that needs massive work? (i'm guessing the bathrooms prob need to be updated as well?)

    square footage?

    locale to work/school?

    bedrooms?

    what is it that is prompting you to sell the home?

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    Looking at the listing photos, the Tuscan theme seems to run through the main floor. IMO updating the kitchen with white will not be cohesive with all the other wood in the house-bookcases, entry stairs etc.

  • 5 months ago

    The kitchen cabinets do not have to match the rest of the house. The living room is open to the kitchen, but that really has nothing to do with the entire first floor and the entry stairs, etc.


    As I mentioned, my preference would be more of a taupe for the cabinets, versus white. And the island could possibly stay in the wood. The granite stays.


    If anyone has read any of my comments on this board over the past decade (plus), they would likely be aware that 95% of the time I am absolutely NOT for painting wood cabinets. In this case, I am for painting them.


  • 5 months ago

    We are empty nesters. Home is almost 4700 sqft. However, we are having a hard time finding something smaller that meets all of our needs for less in this market. We love our backyard, Yes, the whole first floor is Tuscan, textured walls and all.


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    Beautiful yard and house.


    If you want to paint the kitchen walls and cabinets, it is not an issue with the rest of your house.

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  • 5 months ago

    I just saw the other three pics that you added. It’s a stunning place.

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  • 5 months ago

    Paint all the walls and the cabinets and then reconsider options. I live in a similar house/neighborhood. If I were to sell I'd have nowhere I could go for my sale price that would be nearly as nice a neighborhood. Plus, in my hood, million dollar houses are being torn down for multimillion dollar houses. Paint, relax, enjoy where you are. The back yard is your happy place. That's invaluable.

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  • 5 months ago

    NO NO NO to painting the cabinetry--other than maybe white. White painted is the only thing you have hope of finding someone who loves the paint. Painting does not fix the real issue which is the style of the cabinetry. THAT'S what's dated. Wood, dark even, is very much on trend. The wood cabinetry's color is the least of the issues in your home! I disagree that painting the kitchen forces you to paint the entire home (not that that would be bad) . What is the goal? To lighten or to update? HUGE differance for this kitchen. 50K to sell or to live in??? I wouldn't spend 10K to sell!! The cabinetry on the island is not the same as the rest, possibly just painting the island would be enough. Not Taupe (ish) but white or sage? What would new shaker door/drawer fronts cost? That and some white paint on the boxes is a way to go--assuming again you like the layout. Is there any other reason you are selling??? Updating the kitchen would still be cheaper than a move!! The counters are not an issue. The tile on the backsplash is and it's your cheapes fix.

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    The pronounced grain in the cabinets is the issue, imo, not the color. And the amount of prep it would take to paint them properly would eat up a lot of your budget.

    I’d say just keep looking for your empty-nest home. We searched for two years and even lived in a furnished rental before putting our house on the market, just to be sure we liked the area. We did end up adjusting some of our criteria, but even so, we’re very happy with our choice

    Your pup is very cute and your backyard is lovely. A backyard photo should be the second photo in your real estate listing, right after the photo of the front of the house. And the agent should redo the interior photos, whatever edit they did to them is unnecessarily enhancing the Tuscan features.

    tluna thanked deegw
  • 5 months ago

    As an added point after seeing this is your furniture is that everything has warm tones. You have warm coloured walls, floors, cabinets, furniture, area rug and even the brick fireplace. There is no where for the eye to rest except the blue winged back chairThere is no break in everything being the same family of colours. Maybe hire someone to help with colours because I feel you need to add some cooler colours.

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  • 5 months ago

    I really don’t see a problem with your warm tones...


    Just a heads up: I was not able to paint over the textured wall part- but honestly, I don’t think it looks bad in this mix.








  • PRO
    5 months ago
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    "There is nowhere we can go that meets our needs, for less"

    No, and there will not be, even if you should find a lot and build it.

    TBH,,,,,,I am lost. Why is it on the market, when you've nowhere to go? Or you own a property in another climate?

    Prepare to take a $$$ bath, Fifty K won't touch the "update" issue, and there are plenty in your boat. You weren't empty nester's when you moved in, and neither will be a potential buyer. The generation behind you in age doesn't want Tuscan anything, doesn't want to do this massive update, that paint alone will not solve. Between walls and cabinetry and everywhere? Every cent of the 50k and more, would go just to paint.

    You never remodel permanent surfaces for the "next" person. You can't begin to hazard a guess as to what that buyer may want, if they DID love a Tuscan flavor.

    I'd take it off the market, keep looking, or decide you are being carried out feet first on a slab, and stay put. Update to YOUR sensibilities and your resources based on your "forever".

    When you do that? Get a really good interior designer , one who has a PRO kd on speed dial, along with a fantastic contractor. Otherwise, you face a thread with a hundred contributors, for every single element in the house, and not one of us, tastes and talents aside, will be living there. You do remodel and massive updates, especially kitchen and bath......for you, and only you.

    Otherwise, you price it to sell, take the hit. It is worth what someone will pay. and that is true of all property, anywhere.

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  • 5 months ago

    Perhaps I misread but I thought the 50k was to update and stay in home of they decide not to sell after all. Perhaps it can be clarified what the plans are. You are illustrating why so many empty nesters don’t downsize. Which is totally fair. It’s also a lot of house to continue to maintain for two.

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    Beautiful yard! Lots of good comments about the kitchen above.

    I hope you don't mind if I comment instead on something else that caught my eye. Do you love the gate that's in front of your bar area? Is there a need to have that area locked or blocked? I'm asking because that seems like it would be awkward, like the doors would swing into the floor area and possibly impede furniture placement and the walkway. The bars and design of the gates in front of the bottle storage adds to the busyness.

    If it were my house, I'd consider removing those gates / doors and using them as a trellis somewhere outside. I wouldn't want to ditch them, and trellises can be pricey, so perhaps you can find a spot. (If you're worried about rust, you could spray with a clear coat. I did this at my old house with an iron headboard from a bed. Flowering vines happily grew up it and helped make the wall of my garage better looking.)


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    I just used the edit feature on my phone to scribble this. I “painted“ over the textured wall area. ( A good thing I am not a house painter. :)






    These are just rough views. And this is just one taupe view; there are many shades of taupe paint colors- and there are many paint colors, period. As I also mentioned in one of my previous comments, you could alternatively do a light beige or warm white. But I do think that whether you decide to stay or move, painting the cabinets could be to your advantage. And you asked for update ideas.


    It is unfortunate that people show up here and trash a place because it is not their style and/or they don’t know what to do with it. But this is the type of thing that happens on this forum 24/7.


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    Here's AI's version of updates. I asked it to paint the cabinets taupe, paint walls in a white with taupe undertones, put wood flooring (you can put engineered hardwood over your tile), make a quartz countertop with a vein that coordinates with the cabinets, remove window coverings, update furniture. IMO, this is easily done for 50K and you will likely have some left for painting other rooms. The most expensive element will be the floors but without knowing the square footage, hard to tell how much that will add. AI chose to run the quartz up the backsplash which looks nice. That could get pricey depending on the sq footage needed but a plain tile would work too.





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    If your floors are hickory as suggested above, you can tone them down with refinishing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mpx7x23C7k  and https://www.signaturecustomflooring.com/whitewashed-hickory-flooring-appleton-wi

  • 5 months ago

    Your backyard is beautiful! It would be difficult to settle for something less.


    Does the kitchen layout function well for you? If yes, I would seriously consider replacing the doors/drawer fronts + converting some lower door cabinets into drawers + paint out the boxes. I would also lower the peninsula height down to counter height.


    You could have all of the extra ornamental moulding removed prior to painting the cabinet boxes.


    FYI - Beth H's kitchen is a great example of how much you can update a kitchen without a full gut. I remember how surprised I was when Beth disclosed a few years ago that her kitchen wasn't the result of a full renovation (the first time I saw a photo of her kitchen, there wasn't a "before" photo - I believe that she was just showing how she used different countertop materials + paint colors for her perimeter and island cabinets).


    Her kitchen is beautiful - and it wasn't an entire gut.




    Beth replaced all doors/drawer fronts + changed some doors to drawers + removed ornamental elements + replaced the OTR with a nice hood vent + made some changes to her island and the desk area.


    Beth would have the best idea of how far 50K would go re: updating your kitchen - that's what she did to hers. No one would ever thinks that she kept her original cabinet boxes - but they were obviously quality cabinets = why replace them when she wanted white cabinets and they could be painted?


    Beth's kitchen is a perfect example of how replacing doors/drawer fronts + painting cabinet boxes + changing countertops + backsplash + flooring + wall paint vs. gutting an entire kitchen is not "putting lipstick on a pig" - as many Houzz users will claim.


    OP will be able to change partial overlay doors/drawer fronts to full overlay also + convert many lower door cabinets to drawer+ remove all of the Tuscan details. Plus, the current cabinets can be modified in order to turn the current bar height peninsula to a counter height one (plus, with a new countertop, OP will be able to use counter height stools at the peninsula if desired because the extra overhang needed can be added when templating is done).


    The part of OP's kitchen that will be the most difficult will be having the tile floors removed if she wants to match the rest of the wood. HOWEVER, if OP wants to keep tile in the kitchen, there are thinner tiles that are made specifically to be set over existing floor tile (= eliminating the messy/costly demolition of the existing floor tile).

  • 5 months ago

    There is a flat wall paint in the living area, which is much calmer. Maybe your starting point is to continue this into the kitchen to reduce the current movement coming in from walls, floors , bench tops and furniture’s. Changing the window dressings to a single material color after painting could be the next step. The splashback itself attractive and could be where you draw your wall color from.

  • 5 months ago

    Paint the walls a warm white. Check out White Blush by Benjamin Moore as it has enough gold to work with what you have. Take down the bar gate and reuse in your fabulous yard as suggested.
    See how your window coverings look with the new paint after it’s up to see if they still please you. They look custom and were probably good quality and an investment.
    This is a lot of house and downsizing is a LOT of work and money. We sold our home in Austin Tx 2 yrs ago as the market was starting to drop and moved to Little Rock Arkansas, going from 2100 sq ft to 1330. It would not have been financially doable to try to downsize in Austin as the market is still so much higher than here. We are very happy here and love our new home and city but it was freaking hard work for us at 68 and 74, and we are fit and active.