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Side Entry Dreams

10 days ago
last modified: 9 days ago

I am looking for new eyes on our small space. Our home is a 1950s brick rambler with 3 bedrooms, 1.25 baths, and about 1,500 sq ft. We want to remodel the side entrance area and quarter bath. Our family of 3 uses this door as the primary entrance into the house and we have a small bench, coat hooks, and shoe rack currently wedged in. Priorities for this project:

- add a shower;

- retain our landing pad for coats, bags, and shoes;

- add a door from the house into the garage;

- stack and/or move the washer/dryer out of this space.

I'm willing to get creative. Below is a drawing of the existing layout. My current idea (one of hundreds of sketches) is also attached, but requires a sink outside the toilet/shower room to fit in a hall and garage entry door.

Things to know:

- The garage is 2 steps lower than the main house and on a slab (crawlspace under the main house). We are not opposed to taking some space from the garage but that will be more complex and pricey; we hope to add better pantry and large item storage in the garage and can quickly access it through our new garage entry from inside the house!

- The existing 1/4 bath has a closet that used to hold a water heater, and an awkward little pantry (edit: our original plan was just to stick a shower in there and call it a day, but I have dreams - see subject line!).

- The chimney is decommissioned and bricks were already removed to just below the roofline, and we plan to demolish the rest ourselves.

- The furnace vent comes into the attic just to the right of the furnace so we cannot expand to the left very far.



My current idea - is the sink outside really a terrible idea?


Comments (19)

  • PRO
    10 days ago
    last modified: 10 days ago

    Use the closet space in bedroom #3 in your plan. Original closets are a waste of floor space, so break down that wall. Inexpensive area that has access to plumbing.

    Do this idea for closets. You can DIY or go with IKEA.



    susanandbrendan thanked oncape
  • 9 days ago

    Can you building a vestibule outside between your side door and garage? I would not have a sink outside of the tub/toilet area. Use the 2 tiny closets to make a shower.

    susanandbrendan thanked Val B
  • 9 days ago

    @Val B - that was the original plan, to knock out the closets, stick in a shower, and forget the door into the garage. But a gal can dream, can't she?

  • 9 days ago
    last modified: 9 days ago

    Have the bathroom door swing out, and put a small sink opposite the toilet. Recess it into the wall studs if you need to.

    Outward swinging doors are safer in a small bathroom, in case someone collapses and the inswing door is blocked.

    susanandbrendan thanked partim
  • PRO
    9 days ago

    This does not check all the boxes but it might inspire a better solution.


    susanandbrendan thanked Mark Bischak, Architect
  • 9 days ago

    @Mark Bischak, Architect - that's intriguing!




  • 9 days ago
    last modified: 9 days ago

    What is the other room pictured - to the right of the bedroom? I assume it's the kitchen?


    Who uses Bedroom 3? Kid? Guest? Office? If I read your dimensions correctly, it looks like that bedroom is about 12'x14', which is a generous size. How about stealing the upper right corner of the bedroom for the shower? That would make the bathroom a lot bigger, and still give you the door to the garage.


    And in regards to the door to the garage: if you put the door at the top of the space, instead of where the chimney is, you gain a wall for coat hooks and shelves. If you also add a person door next to the overhead door, as Mark shows, you can potentially eliminate the door directly into the laundry room, allowing you to keep the W/D as is, and have a bench.

    susanandbrendan thanked AnnKH
  • 6 days ago

    @AnnKH you are spot on about the kitchen being just past the side entry / right of bedroom 3. Should have provided more labels.


    Bedroom 3 is a family room (tv) and is also our guest room. I def have sketches stealing space from the upper corner...


    I love Mark's suggestion of changing up the entry into the garage and eliminating the side door... I would prefer a side by side washer/dryer with a counter and storage cupboards, and we wouldn't lose the lovely light from the windows, plus retain space for entry bench and coat hooks.


    We had a free consultation with someone last year who does small house renovation, who had the crazy notion to put a 2nd bathroom elsewhere (the large primary bath + oversized linen closet + 3' deep closet in Bedroom 2 could easily provide 2 decent sized bathrooms). It seemed harebrained at the time but I am coming around to it so I can get the mudroom/pantry/laundry expansion ...


    So, now I am terrifying the spouse with looking at that idea again. I struggle deciding how big to go. We are going to live here while we do whatever project we pull the trigger on, and that is not an insignificant piece of the puzzle!

  • 6 days ago
    last modified: 6 days ago

    Circling back to @Val B’s question about a vestibule…

    Can you add an exterior garage side door (just to the left of your current exterior door than you use daily) and add a vestibule that covers both? This saves you from having to use space on the inside of your house for the new garage door/hallway.

    susanandbrendan thanked Design Fan (NE z7a)
  • 6 days ago

    ^ That is the issue - you want to introduce a lot of circulation (existing exterior door, but new door from garage) into such a small space, which reduces availability for the Powder/Laundry. If you can move the exterior door to the garage, that opens up opportunities.

    Also, am not clear on adding a shower. Is it strictly for the Bedrooms to use walking around and through the galley Kitchen, possibly a Mudroom/Laundry Room, to get to it?

  • 6 days ago

    3onthetree asks the right question - who is going to use the new shower? Is it for guests? When you have guests now, where do they shower? Do people refuse to stay with you, because there isn't a shower by the kitchen?

    If you could eliminate that aspect from your wish list, you free up a LOT of space.

  • 5 days ago



    susanandbrendan thanked 3onthetree
  • 4 days ago

    Thanks for homing in on the question of who this shower is for. Currently the house has 1 tub/shower, and we would like a shower for use by ourselves and guests. All 3 rooms run down a central hall (Bedroom 3 is at one end).


    Taking a step back, I tried to imagine stepping out of our new shower, only to walk through the laundry room, kitchen, and down the hall in a bathrobe or towel ... not ideal. The more I think about it, the plugging a 2nd bath in existing hallway near the bedrooms makes more sense (unless we connected the new bath to Bedroom 3).


    And while it's handy to have a sink near the side entry after coming in from garage or yardwork we can accomplish that with a small utility sink for the laundry.


    Below is a whole house sketch. Not a lot of measurements, but you can see what we are working with. Here's a few other details:

    * Bedroom 2 is about 10' x 10', with a massive closet that is 37" deep x 91" wide (I'm not kidding!) - currently a 6 yr old's room.

    * The linen closet between bedroom 2 and the bath is 33" wide and 30.5" deep.

    * Bath is about 122" x 85"

    * Bedroom 1 is the adults' bedroom with 2 small closets




    It's possible we could add a small bathroom between bedrooms 2 and 3 by stealing some space from the closet and the existing primary bath. If we keep the new bath really small, could Bedroom 2 still have a small walk-in closet or at least a nook for a wardrobe? Below is my idea for that. It would require moving every existing fixture, unfortunately...



  • 4 days ago

    What about closing the hallway door from bedroom 3 and instead open it into the side entry to make it more of a guest suite? You would want that side entry to be less laundry room like but possible with closed doors/ cabinets, etc.

    susanandbrendan thanked lmckuin
  • 2 days ago

    Wow, 3, I think you nailed it!

  • 2 days ago
    last modified: 2 days ago

    @3onthetree - this is fabulous. Thank you! I really appreciate that it doesn't require knocking out new holes in the central wall (load bearing), gives us 2 full baths, and keeps a good flow. Putting the 'tv' room near the Living room makes good sense, too, moving the bedrooms to the quieter end.

    Only caveat on this sketch is, I'd like to avoid losing a closet in Room 2 (makes it 'not a bedroom') but we could always give Bedroom 2 one of the 2 small closets in what is now the 'gaming/guest' room, to solve that.

  • 2 days ago

    Very nice plan. It does require a substantial re-do of the kitchen. Hopefully that's in the budget.

    susanandbrendan thanked partim
  • yesterday

    @partim - You're right, there are changes throughout to the entry points and flow for the rest of the house. But, making two bathrooms out of the existing space doesn't require the other changes. I think moving the 'master' bedroom entry down the hall was done to allow more closet space but we could leave the existing kitchen entry there instead.


    I put a printout of the idea on the bathroom counter to let spouse absorb the idea. Our kid is offended we would consider changing her room in any way (she might feel differently in a few years when she gets to have her 'own' bathroom). Spouse is worried about losing closet space, but intrigued.