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Window trim disaster

12 years ago
We are adding siding to an old house. The windows were already set in somewhat deep in the exterior wall. The strapping, foam insulation and siding has resulted in them being even deeper set. We obviously did not discuss the window trimming sufficiently with the contractor. Came home yesterday to find this. We wanted "wide" trim. What we ended up with though looks ridiculous. He's done 6" boards (so 5 1/2") clad in aluminum which sits flush with the siding. The siding is 4". When they get to the second floor things will look somewhat different also, as the windows are not set deep Into the wall like that as the main floor is the original house from the 40s and the upstairs is a new addition from 2001. Between the width of the trim, the depth of the windows, and the flatness of the trim I'm pretty much ready to cry! Suggestions (other than rip everything off and start again) to improve the look? Or am I left with only the choices of live with it as is or have him rip off an entire side of the house and start over to make the trim right? Help!! I have until 7 am Monday at the latest to figure this out.

Comments (28)

  • 12 years ago
    Well from these limited pictures I think the trim looks good, not being able to see the entire style of the house. As long as he duplicates it in the second floor it should be fine.
  • 12 years ago
    Thanks @rocketjcat. That at least makes me feel a little better on this early morning. I have to say that I think it looks less bad in the pic than in real life. I just walked up the street to look at a neighbors that I like (at 5:30 am like some kind of weirdo stalker!) and I continue to think I'm not happy with this. If I leave it I will probsbly get used to it, but I'm worried that instead it will bug me every day for the next 20 years!
  • 12 years ago
    Thanks @gnbuilders. He is doing a beautiful job. Super tidy and nicely done and leaves the site immaculate. Very happy with the workmanship. The design issue is absolutely my fault alone for not communicating better about what I want. I imagine I can get used to it, but if I think I can't I'm going to need to decide very quickly. What you can see in the pic is all that is done so far, so if I'm going to suck it up and foot the bill for a change now is definitely the time. Thanks for the vote of confidence and advice!
  • 12 years ago
    I agree with GNBukiders...they look very good. But what exactly are you unhappy with? Just that it's wider than you're used to seeing or is it not the style you pictured? Did you expect trim that was more 3 dimensionally like a colonial molding? Can you post a larger picture of the house with more of the existing windows?
  • 12 years ago
    @rocketjcat - yes and yes, I think. I think I expected the wide trim to be less wide and the trim to have a more traditional and 3d look. Frankly we hadn't discussed it in detail yet and I didn't really expect to find siding done that day. I thought they were going to finish all the strapping and insulation first. My husband planned to be home when they started the actual siding, but things moved more quickly than we expected. Again, our fault for not clarifying both the schedule and the plan for the trim in advance. I'll try to get a pic of the neighbors house with the trim I like, or find another similar pic online, and I'll try to show a pic with more of our house showing, though we are completely changing the look of our house with this job, so it's a bit of a matter of making it look the way we want now, not really matching anything that was there. Our current windows have no trim at all. Just brick to the frames on the lower and "edging" on the top. ( yes, we are covering brick with siding, but it's very very ugly flat pink brick that is drafty and leaky, so the siding and insulation are actually a big upgrade both in energy efficiency and appearance)
  • 12 years ago
    Oh, if your were wanting an entirely different thats a shame. I'm not a pro, but I would think that the current flat window could be trimmed out with additional molding at the top, bottom or both without changing anything that's already been done.
    http://houzz.com/photos/7554659
    Definitely search through houzz for colonial window molding for a good picture to show your builder and see if he can modify.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    You are missing a little detail. Would an extra bend help?
  • 12 years ago
    Could it work to add just a superficial "picture frame" around the outside of the window then fill in with caulk or something similar...probably has never been tried before. Not ideal, I realize.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    If anything you like to add to bring the edges out a bit, you can add Composite band molding and that will make a huge difference without spending to much money.
  • 12 years ago
    Hi all,

    So wonderful to have so many thoughtful and helpful responses. Yes, I was sort of wondering if we could add some trim of some kind. I like the look of that piece! I think I've seen something like it a Home Depot. I really don't want to upset the contractor or make him think I think he's done a bad job, because I don't think he has. It's just all about the aesthetic I want!
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    HD might have this in wood, I'm not sure they carry this molding for exterior use, if they do, I wouldn't buy it there, you will pay triple for it. Ask your contractor to get it from his supplier, the cost will be next to nothing.

    Good luck
  • 12 years ago
    I love that wide look. Goes perfect for an older home.
  • 12 years ago
    Can you post a pic of the whole house facade?
  • 12 years ago
    I like the window. Do
    You have more pics that we can see from a distance?
  • 12 years ago
    It's a bit hard to get a good shot of the house. Our houses are only 12 feet apart so you pretty much can't get the front and side into one shot. Here's an angled one of the side and another of the front. The red is the insulation board. The porch is new and not yet finished. I don't have a before pic on my phone. The transformation from earlier this summer is already quite something (never mind from what it was when it was a 1949 post-war bungalow before we started this back in 2001!)
  • 12 years ago
    Cheryl, is it that you want the molding to sit on top of the siding? I think either a trim piece may help, or bulking up what's under the aluminum. Just make sure they caulk, I've had windows that were done like that and got water behind the siding. Where the j channel meets the aluminum. Unless with your house wrap your safe. I still hate any chance of water, I have not had good luck. I wish you much luck. It does look nice, but if YOU are not happy, life is too short. So make it look how you want it to look, before doing more. :) GOOD LUCK!
  • 12 years ago
    Cheryl, I think there are a couple of things you can do. If the contractor changed the j channel to white, it would look similar to the photos posted by River Valley above, as long as the white matched the windows.
    Or he could replace the j channel to wider vinyl white j channel and eliminate the clad aluminum. Here is a link to Mastic site to see the window trim I'm talking about, and a close up of the look of wider j-channel trim.
    http://mastic.plygem.com/wps/portal/mastic/masticroot/products/trim/windowanddoortrim?family_name=Vinyl%20Casing%20Trim
    PS, it looks to be a quality job he's doing, and sounds like a professional who takes pride in his work, so he shouldn't be offended if you suggest an alternative, especially since you admitted it was a miscommunication on your part.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    @Cheryl. Your installation contractor did a very nice neat job. In my opinion the only option would have been to drop down to a 2 1/4" Vinyl Casing trim which would have acted as the the j- channel and aluminum trim in one, or gone to 1x4 or 1x6 Notched trim by Kleer, Aztec or Versatex. If you make this change now, Time to Re-side. Best of luck
  • 12 years ago
    I still like it. I think looks great.
  • 5 years ago

    What is the end of this story?

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Van, this story ended 6 years ago.

  • 5 years ago

    Indeed it did.

    But guess what - I actually love my windows now!

    So my advice. .... Take a breath, be patient and things sometimes work out!

    :-)

  • 5 years ago

    LOL. Going through a remodel now and having crippling anxiety about it daily! I needed to hear this. ^^^

  • 5 years ago

    If the contractor flashed it properly and used membrane tape. I would be satisfied, Many installers will just use the coil metal and not flash it. Lazy and code violations. Next time make the contract specific and note nonpayment for contract violations.

  • 5 years ago

    We are planning to have our siding and window trim redone about a year from now. What are some good resources to read & study to know if the contractor is following all the proper steps? We've had one bid so far - $89K. The company rep was a joke, and tried to get us to sign up right away, or we would "miss our place in line".

  • 5 years ago

    The windows look great , nicely done. I also like the front of your house, you have great landscaping too. Your house is making a beautiful transformation❣️When I had all new windows installed and a new front door It looked a bit different and it took a few weeks to get used to them and and now I really like the look❣️Give yourself some time.

  • last year

    I build in VA. That's a good job. I do like windows with window ceils , that's picture frame. Looks fine. Nice job