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Plants around this tree

18 years ago

Hi all,

I usually post these type of questions on the perennial or Wisconsin forum, but I think most gardeners are outside this time of year.

I don't have a green thumb. My style leans more towards formal landscaping.

This fall will be my first for planting daffodil and muscari bulbs at the base of my ornamental japanese maple tree in full sun.

It's a small area to work with. After I remove the grass, I need a "filler", both for aesthetics and for functionality - to prevent a muddy mess on my newly installed lannonstone walkway.

I'm looking for an overplanting - preferably a perennial - compatible with spring flowering bulbs: it will still allow my bulbs to come up, but will also grow to cover up the daffodil foliage once the flowers are spent.

If you have suggestions or ideas for the base of this tree, I'd love to hear them.

So as not to repeat prior considerations for this area, some of my original thoughts were:

European or Canadian Ginger (beautiful), Perennial Forget-Me-Nots (myosotis), hardy plumbago (ceratostigma plumbaginoides), and lamium; Too much sun for ginger, was told plumbago not hardy in this area, lamium already in a close area of my yard, and forget me nots - maybe not tall enough to mask daffodil foliage. I'm undecided.

Other considerations that I haven't ruled out are violas and primroses - though again I'm unsure that these will be tall enough to cover daff foliage. ???

I was looking at Persicaria today - in particular Persicaria amplexicaulis firetail and persicaria Golden Arrow. I've included a picture of each. Would this work at the base of my tree?

I have a wide planter that I will be placing up against my house next to this tree (to hide unsightly meter, wires and phone box on my house), and I'll be planting Monarda Jacob Cline and maybe an allium in the planter (IF these plants are practical for planters - that's a question I'll have to ask on another thread), so from the far side of the yard, you'd see the tree with persicaria underneath and my planter with monarda and allium directly behind that.

Will this work aesthetically, or is this too much going on with the height?

The base of the ornamental tree:

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The back of the house:

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persicaria firetail (gets taller than persicaria Golden Arrow):

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persicaria golden arrow (nice chartreuse foliage):

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New walkway (tree is directly to the right) - the hostas here by my Weigela are in direct sunlight, so this area is only a temporary holding until I can figure out where to put them, and what to replace them with (maybe persicaria lance corporal?):

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The planter I was referring to (looks smaller in the picture, but it's a decent size), I'll be putting against house behind the tree filled with monarda jacob cline and possibly allium:

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Primroses (I had to include - I thought this was so pretty):

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Comments (12)

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I would use some type of ground cover like Scotch Moss, or whatever grows well in your area, to replace the grass under the maple. For such a small area I think bulbs and perennials under the tree are going to distract from the tree, plus I wouldn't want to be digging around the shallow roots of the maple.

    I'd put the bulbs in a pot so they can be moved when they start dying back, or plant them in the area where the hostas are.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Whoa! Forget this idea! Maple trees, especially Japanese maples, die quickly from a soil born disease (verticillium wilt) which is present in the soil naturally. If you dig around your maple to the extent necessary for bulb planting you will nick the roots allowing this dreaded disease to enter the tree through the cut roots. My strong suggestion is to never dig under this tree if you want it to survive. Pull the grass beneath it, collect clumps of moss from wherever and lay them on the soil surface, creating a little moss garden beneath.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Lamium might not be a bad idea -- if it's even tall enough to cover the leaves of the bulbs. Repeating a plant throughout a garden is a good way to connect everything and give it continuity.

    I'm zone 4 -- North of you and I envy your Japanese Maple. Lovely.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I'm going to cancel my order for the daffodils and muscari - I have no where to plant them and I'm back at square one. It makes my life easier in the long run.

    I don't want to risk damaging the roots - we just planted this tree earlier this season. Thank you thank you thank you for the feedback, I can't say it enough.

    I think Lamium is the way to go. I agree about continuity, but I also read recently that it is better to limit the number of variegated plants in your garden. I also have Brunnera Jack Frost and some variegated euonymous (and my yard is small scale), so I think this will be the last of variegated varieties in my landscape.

    I'm considering Beacon Silver for this area. I think it would be a nice contrast...and a lot less labor than what I initially set out to do.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Blue-leaved hostas are a classic beneath purple-leaved Japanese maples.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    How about ajuga? Maybe you could seed it in. Another option is creeping thyme, which I think you can also grow from seed.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I thought of hostas, but this is full sun so I don't think they'd do well here. Any blue varieties that can handle full sun?

    I'd LOVE to put European Ginger there - soooo pretty, but again, full sun.

    I have Ajuga just around the corner, and I don't think it will have the effect that I'm looking for (too low of a ground cover).

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    How about Dragon's Blood sedum? Here in zone 4, most varieties of hostas can take full sun, but the blues will suffer for it. No hosta expert but it seems the "blue" is a waxy coating which gives the green leaves a blue tint. The coating will melt away in the sun.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Here the blue ones appear more tolerant than the others. Eventually the maple will have a bigger shadow, too.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I hate to be the one to say this, as I am likely the least experienced person here, gardening-wise--but how close is that maple to the wall of your house?

    How big is that tree going to get, eventually?

    And won't the roots eventually heave the paving? Not sure about that, though. Maybe someone else will address it.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Yes, it seems I have to keep addressing this issue about the location of the tree.

    You are looking at a Japanese Maple, and in 20 years it will probably only double in size. The roots behave and this tree will never reach 40' in height, or even close to that.

    My uncle has probably six of them planted NEXT TO his foundation for the past 20 years, and they're small in stature, well behaved, and no threat to the foundation, driveway, sidewalk, passerby, dog, cat, mouse or otherwise. LOL

    A little pruning of the side branches every now and then, and mother nature will figure out which way she can grow - it will not be into my house.

    I would not have planted a tree next to my house that will overtake my driveway, sidewalk and house. I've made many "gardening" mistakes in my time, but this isn't one of them.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I have yarrow and lemon thyme and columbine and lily of the valley growing under my japanese maple. The columbine seeded themselves, the lily of the valley spread in from nearby areas. I figure yarrow and thyme are friendly companions.

    Actually, I have a sweetfern planted right next to my japanese maple. They are the best, best of friends. But I planted them together at the same time. Sweetfern is hard to come by, but it can take sun. Here's a picture of them together, two years ago. The sweetfern is on the right. Both are doing well, they seem to like each other. The maple is now three times that size, it's growing like gangbusters. The dwarf mountain laurel on the left, on the other hand, is on it's way out even though it is well shaded now by three trees.

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