I finally noticed that you were using portland, sand and peat. And making patties and placing them on whatever you were making. Those 2 things make a huge difference. I am so happy with the look it gives me and the patties make my projects so much easier. The patties seem to compact the turfa mix and it stays put. I had a couple places that I didn't pat the patties together enough but have corrected that. Wish I would of noticed what you were saying a long time ago. That was the whole reason I was jumping back and forth with the quikcrete sand & topping mix. Thanks again, Kathy