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Precocious Stella Cherry

15 years ago

Wondering how to visibly spot precocious growth. Supposedly one downside of GM61 (and other low-vigor stocks) when paired with a precocious scion and allowing an early heavy fruit-set causes runt out on the tree (when in-ground).

This container Stella in gritty-mix is on 3rd leaf, but suffered set-back of one entire season with no growth (that's another story). After heavy flowering, I removed about 1 dozen cherry fruitlets and left the rest.

Here is the trunk/base w/lower branches as March 14th starting 3rd leaf:

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Same as of May 12th:

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There were only about a dozen cherries above the picture and the rest is all fresh growth.

Here it is now from a different angle (having eaten over 2 dozen cherries so far, testing flavor):

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Note: This isn't the same Stella with the bark splits.

It'll be upsized into a larger container next season.

Was this considered "precocious & early fruit set"? Would you have removed any fruitlets to prevent runt-out?

Or does it not apply since containerizing already prevents such or causes runting anyway?

Thanks

C4F/Chris

Comments (6)

  • 15 years ago

    Chris:

    Runting out is one issue but not what the commercial growers worry about. The bigger concern is setting too much fruit. This results in small low-brix fruit. The corrective measure is to prune more to reduce fruit set and increase vegetative growth. In your pot you will need to prune at some point to stimulate new wood.

    It is also recommended not putting highly precocious cultivars like Sweetheart on very dwarfing roots like Giesla 5. As home growers we can thin the cherries if needed. I thinned some of mine this year.

    So what do you think of Stella? I'll have a variety report soon on about a dozen varieties. Here's a sneek preview: think about getting a Van. It's the highest rated cherry in Dave Wilson Nursery, DWN, taste tests and now I know why. Also running about 30 brix. Van is also extremely precocious. Crops like yours in 3rd leaf.

  • 15 years ago

    Fruit-

    Does Van need a pollinator? I have Stella growing in a container, but my fruit are still green.

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    I have 3 cherry trees in the ground, but they may be getting ripped out.

  • 15 years ago

    Frank:

    You're a better man than me hauling around that huge pot. Mine are in 15 gal pots and that works fine if watering every day fits ones schedule. All my cherries will be in pots within a year or two. My trees will be about 2/3 that size at maturity.

    Yes Van does need a pollinator and Stella should work.

  • 15 years ago

    Fruitnut:
    Thanks for sharing. I realize what the commercial concerns are (likely why labeled precocious anyway, advising commercial farmers about over-set and bland fruit). But back to my original question: Would you have considered that precocious and secondly would it have a tendency to reduce the vegetative growth next year in a container?

    As far as flavor, so far ALL the cherry trees are too young to judge and I harvested them too early (except for the above Stella). Therefore, they all taste about the same: just like store bought cherries (juicy, some flavor, nothing great). The Stella above may be 3 years old but has only 1 real year of growth b/c it was severely root-bound when purchased @ clearance and b/c of my care that nearly killed it. Last year it set only 2 fruits and the birds got it before I could.

    I don't have a Van yet, but will by next season. I've been evaluating the rootstocks and how they do (under my care) in containers before buying any more cherries. The only one that might go in-ground would be a Royal Raineer b/c I love it so much (even store bought ones) but I've yet to do that.

    I'll remove several dozen container citrus over the next couple years to free up space. I've got 50 citrus so far as short-term trees to enjoy growing them and pick favorite fruits, then graft onto in-ground trees.

    I REALLY need advice on pruning these cherries. Some of these 2yr container cherries are getting mighty long branches, yet little overall foliage. I would've tip-pruned them to stimulate sub-branching but it's only this season that I'm sure they are healthy and trust my experience caring for them. Too much re-potting, testing containers & mixes last year that I wanted to just leave them be for an entire season once healthy. I'll have to share some pics and ask for suggestions on another post. It's been fun reading your recent posts.

  • 15 years ago

    I'd say don't worry about the early crop reducing vegetative growth. As long as you've got a decent canopy and balance fruit load to leaf area you will be OK. If you want a thicker canopy, and I don't, then you have to repeatedly head back when the plant is small, the first two years.

    I want an open canopy like on this Van.


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    This canopy resulted in 130 cherries averaging 29 brix in 3rd leaf. And the tree was dug up outdoors and potted about 6 months ago. Plenty of growth this year.

  • 15 years ago

    Fruit-

    I hear you on container size. Big heavy containers are a pain in the butt. I've got about a dozen 15 gallon (plastic) pots that I ordered in the garage awaiting new trees :)

    I need to learn how to graft cherries, so I can have a few trees with several varieties on each.