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Coir vs. Bark vs. Peat

17 years ago

I'm interested in testing out a coir-based soil mix (80/20 coir/perlite, similar to the mix sold by HydroGardens) versus a pine bark mix and a peat-based mix for indoor growth. Does anyone know of any good resources for information on coir in terms of its properties (compaction, amendments, etc.)?

I've been hearing a lot about coir recently, but don't have too much experience with it myself ...

Comments (3)

  • 17 years ago

    Sphagnum peat and coir have nearly identical water retention curves. They both retain about 90-95% of their volume in water at saturation and release it over approximately the same curve until they both lock water up so tightly it's unavailable for plant uptake at about 30-33% saturation. Coir actually has less loft than sphagnum peat, and therefore, less aeration. Because of this propensity, coir should be used in mixes at lower %s than peat. Because of the tendency to compact, in the greenhouse industry, coir is primarily used in containers in sub-irrigation (bottom-watering) situations. Many sources produce coir that is high in soluble salts, so this can also be an issue.

    Using coir as the primary component of container media virtually eliminates lime or dolomitic lime as a possible Ca source because of coir's high pH (6+). Gypsum should be used as a Ca source, which eliminates coir's low S content. All coir products are very high in K, very low in Ca, and have a potentially high Mn content, which can interfere with the uptake of Fe.
    I haven't tested coir thoroughly, but I have done some testing of CHCs (coconut husk chips) with some loose controls in place. After very thoroughly leaching and rinsing the chips, I made a 5:1:1 soil of pine bark:peat:perlite (which I know to be very productive) and a 5:1:1 mix of CHCs:peat:perlite. I planted 6 cuttings of snapdragon and 6 cuttings of Coleus (each from the same plant to help reduce genetic influences) in containers (same size/shape) of the different soils. I added dolomitic lime to the bark soil and gypsum to the CHC soil. After the cuttings struck, I eliminated all but the three strongest in each of the 4 containers. I watered each container with a weak solution of MG 12-4-8 with STEM added at each watering, and watered on an 'as needed basis', not on a schedule. The only difference in the fertilizer regimen was the fact that I included a small amount of MgSO4 (Epsom salts) to provide MG (the dolomitic lime in the bark soil contained the MG, while the gypsum (CaSO4) in the CHC soil did not. This difference was necessary because or the high pH of CHCs and coir.) for the CHC soil.

    The results were startling. In both cases, the cuttings grown in the CHC's exhibited only about 1/2 the biomass at summers end as the plants in the bark mix.

    I just find it very difficult for a solid case to be made (besides "It works for me") for the use of coir or CHC's. They're more expensive and more difficult to use effectively. The fact that some believe peat is in short supply (no where near true, btw) is easily offset by the effect of the carbon footprint of coir in its trek to the US from Sri Lanka or other exotic locales.

    That's the view from here. YMMV

    Al

  • 17 years ago

    If you are looking at it from an experience perspective, don't use it.

    Any problems that can happen from using it, all the negatives that Al mentions, have happened to the few plants I used it for and I have used and tested it for a long time..

    It is a waste of money, and "FUTURE" hazards just waiting to happen to the most important part of your plants, the ROOTS and the the overall health, in particular iron defficiency.
    In the immediate it works great, but beware in just a few months, your plants will tell you they don't like the stuff either...
    Sorry..I use to be a pro user, but not anymore..If you lived close, I would deliver you all my unopened packages..:-)

    I have finally finished my last transplant from coir into the 5.1.1. mix on one of my lemon meyers, and it looks much healthier already, not just for the immediate term, but for a long time to come..:-)

    Mike

  • 17 years ago

    Interesting ... thanks. I'll do a comparison test with the coir (as opposed to CHC) and see what happens.

    The whole peat sustainability question is a mess, but it's not my primary concern.

    And p.s., I'm about three months into my test of the 5:1:1 Al mix versus MG versus garden soil.