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New Lawn Questions

15 years ago

Hi. I've been soouring throught the various new lawn topics and of course have been reading lots of opinions. By the way, I find that the search feature in gardeneweb doesn't work very well. Anyone else notice that?

Let me describe my situation as briefly as I can: We rebuilt a house and in the process had about 65 yards of dirt dug up to make room for a basement expansion, and then distributed roughly over the surrounding lawn in the back yard. The front yard was left pretty much intact, but heavy equipment was run across it, and various building materials were imbedded into the ground over the year. I some dirt was excavated and distributed near the house. The whole property is about a third of an acre.

My problem is that I need to get seed down and growing before the town will issue a final certificate of occupancy and return a bond I had to post for landscaping (tough town). I have future plans to relandscape the entire property, but I believe this will take more than one year and it is something I'd like to take my time with and see what I can do and what I need to hire people for.

So here's a pic of the back yard and the dirt that was pushed around:

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The dirt covered area used to be a lawn and is about 1400 sf. It is completely packed full or rocks. Right in front of the big tree you can just see one of the piles of rocks I've accumulated while smoothing out the ground with a pick axe and rake. So I think what I want to do is prepare the ground enough so that I get a reasonable looking lawn -- one that I can mow easily and not be unhappy with for the next couple of years while I figure out the overall plan for the property.

I'm finding that it isn't practical for me to dig down 6 to 8 inches and remove all the rocks. It would take all summer and my back would be shot. My latest thought is to kind of scrape the ground an inch or two with the pick axe and remove any rocks that high up (even that is a chore). Then I could bring in a few yards of topsoil to get maybe a half inch on top of that. -- just rake in lightly as not to disturb more rocks, compact and seed.

In the future I might add a sprinkler system and sod, so I imagine I might have to rip up the turf at that point and get somebody to remove the rocks professionally. I assume it is necessary to remove all the rocks in the top 6" or so to get a really good lawn.

Good or bad plan?

OK, here's the next issue -- the front yard:

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So the lawn is pretty rough. I actually mowed it yesterday and had to lift the mower here and there to be sure I didn't scalp the ground. Again, down the road I might want to put in a sprinkler system and sod. Or, maybe build a 3' high kneewall and backfill to make a level lawn behind the wall. Point is I want a decent lawn, but don't want to overspend on things now that I might not need in one or two years.

What is the best way for me to level out the low spots and get seed down in an area that is both bare and spotted with existing grass? Rocks are not too much of an issue. Will topsoil fill in the low spots and not runoff? Do I need a landscaper to handle something like this or should I find some chain link fence? :)

Thanks for reading through this, and any suggestions would be very much appreciated. I'm trying not to reinvent the wheel, which is why this is such a great forum.

Dan

Comments (6)

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    If you're planning on replacing it and are just looking to have something temporary, I'd hire somebody to grade the lawn. You'll need that done properly to make sure you don't have water flowing toward the house, etc, anyway.

    Then, for the temporary lawn, just get some cheap seed and put it down. Rye will germinate the fastest, and may even make a good lawn, although it needs to be overseeded periodically because it doesn't spread.

    For a permanent lawn, you'll probably want to use some elite KBG cultivars and you'll want to seed in late summer/early fall (KBG takes about 3 weeks to germinate and if you put it down now, it will likely die in the summer).

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Looks like I'll be taking your advice and hiring someone to grade everything. I'm now leaning towards letting them clean up, grade and top soil the whole property. It's just too backbreaking to get anywhere by hand.

    Thanks!

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Let the landscaper decide whether you need topsoil. Since you have extra already, he might want to remove material instead of add. Getting the drainage right is imperative.

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    He wanted to grade away from the house a little more, bringing in about 3 truckloads of topsoil for the front and back. Before construction, much of the backyard actually graded toward the house, and we had some water problems.

    I'm getting another opinion next week from a landscape designer who's been in the field for 55 years. He seems to do higher end work and their family is very nice. I have to think he can steer me in the right direction.

    Thanks!

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    From the pix I don't see the need for more soil. It could be he wanted to remove rocky stuff first and replace it with nice stuff. Definitely get a second opinion. Also, and do not fail to do this, get references of other jobs they have done and TALK TO THE PEOPLE if they still live there. They should talk to you. I know I am more than willing to talk about the guy who did our remodeling (and left us with foundation problems).

  • 15 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Well the dirt in the back yard came from where the new basement is, and isn't very fertile. My understanding is that is what topsoil is for. He said the cheaper plan would be to grade the dirt/remove rocks and just seed as is. He said it wouldn't come in as well as with topsoil, and I'd have to be careful about keeping up with regular fertilizing and so on.

    This same landscaper just removed several large trees in our neighbor's back yard, and used our property to get at those trees. He did some leveling of the ground after they finished. Also, he's an occasional customer of mine (food business), not that that means anything, but I tend to think they won't do a crappy job and disappear.

    I'll be interested to see what the designer I'm seeing on Tuesday recommends. I'm sure he'll steer me in the right direction if he doesn't like the first guy's quote.

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