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16 years ago

My growing conditions are sunny and dry, temps 80's to 100 in long summer. Most roses do not go dormant in our mildish winters. I do water.

I especially like when the blooms sit on top of the foliage, and well foliaged plants. Also, lots of rebloom, no beautiful but stingy roses please. I would also prefer not to have to train or self-peg because I don't have the time or experience, but can learn if I need to.

I am looking for a soft pink, plus any other that is highly recommended. Also, how much afternoon shade do your favorites need?

So far, these are the contenders:

Pinks:

Anne Boleyn

Bow Bells

Cottage Rose

Eglantyne

Heritage

Kathryn Morley

Mayor of Casterbridge

Scepter d'isle

The Alnwick Rose

Others:

Ambridge Rose

Carding Mill

Christopher Marlowe

Evelyn

Happy Child

L D Braithwaite

Molineux (only if it stays yellow in full sun)

Sir Edward Elgar

St. Swithun

Symphony

The Prince (in afternoon shade)

Also, any thoughts on Crocus vs Claire Rose vs Sharifa Asma? I find these so beautiful I would be willing to devote precious afternoon shade real estate to them.

Comments (14)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Pink:

    1. Sharifa Asma. A must. One of the very very best perfumes in the rose world, super bloomer, quite healthy, upright vasheshaped, blooms in clusters. Medium height, no legginess/sprawling. Superb rose.

    2. Heritage. Very good rebloomer with a ton of flowers, gets quite big (6+ ft after 3 years in North Carolina), upright vaseshaped, very healthy. Medium fragrance which is nice but not overwhelming.

    3. Alnwick Rose. I love her exquisitly shaped blooms and color, and her strong raspberry perfume. Medium height, taller than Sharifa, upright, vaseshaped very vigorous with good disease resistance here in England, and good rebloom. In North Carolina I had a virused plant that wouldn't bloom or grow well. Big difference to here. See what others say, esp. in your climate.

    4. Eglantyne. Exquisitly beautiful, but more prone to BS, and not a good rebloomer in NC, basically 2 flushes early in the season, and a few flowers in the fall. Put out a lot of lanky growth later in the season (instead of blooming).

    5. Anne Boleyn. Short, pretty floriferous, medium/light sweet tea fragrnace, blooms shatter even quicker than Heritage's in the heat of the summer - in 1-2 days max.

    Others:

    1. The Prince. Get him. Superb crimson purple flowers with an equally superb perfume. Upright, very slender growth and not too tall, 3-4 ft max perhaps. He needs good regular food to perform well, but is very much worth it.

    2. Crocus Rose: Super rose, will get huge and round like a teddy bear, needs lots of space, plant it as specimen, looks great. Quite healthy in NC, absolutely reliable rebloom. Nice cream flowers, sweet tea perfume. Loved it. But would choose Sharifa over her.

    3. Molineux. Super performer even in the heat of the summer, in NC, but will fade some in the summer, although in a nice manner, with an assortment of yellow-related tones, buff and peach. is definitely of deeper, more orange color in cooler weather. Quite healthy. Sweet tea fragrance.

    4. Evelyn. Some of the most sumptuous flowers in the rose world, but a diva. Lovely fruity perfume. If she likes her spot - very sunny, good soil, water and food, she'll love you back and bloom for you a lot. She did so for me in NC. If not, then not (here in England).

    5. Ambridge Rose. Grew her in NC, but she was virused and didn't rebloom very well and finally withered and succumbed. Was a bit prone to BS. Beautiful flowers though of a refined soapy myrrh scent. Others have said that she is a good performer (if not virused). Mine came directly from DA (TX).

    6. Carding Mill. Was exquisitly beautiful when I grew her in NC but also very short, one foot or so, and not very vigorous. She didn't make it through the winter (z 7b), so see what others in your climate say. They don't offer her here in England, probably because of lack of vigor, but she may grow well in Calif.

    7. Chris Marlowe. Turned quickly into a nearly ever-blooming, low growing thicket of sorts. Blooms open up with a terrific salmon-orange color but will fade within a day to a more subdued, even greyish tone, especially in the summer. They always looked interesting, but I was never sure what to make of the color (change) and overall looks, also his thickety sprawling habit. Foliage was glossy and fairly healthy when I had him in NC but some BS tendency. Sweet fruity tea perfume, if I remember correctly. Didn't get him again in England and he wouldn't be on top of my list.

    8. Sir Edward Elgar. I was surprised about his harshly colored cerise flowers, stingy bloomer, and a 'leggy' climber. Had no patience with it and got rid of it after a couple of seasons. Maybe he didn't like his crowded position. Not much scent. I would not recommend him.

    9. Claire Rose. Got one here last year in England, she probably got too much shade and did not perform at all, barely any flowers, balled, mildewed. Moved her to a better spot now and will see. Wouldn't recommend her though.

    Hope this helps,
    Andrea

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I haven't grown most of the ones you list, but I concur with Andrea about Anne Boleyn--mine doesn't like the heat--95-100 degrees--at all. The blooms are lovely on this shorter rose, but definitely needs some shade.

    To my surprise, Happy Child doesn't seem to mind the heat and sun. Full and lush yellow blooms --I just love them. My only complaint is that the bush is not as vigorous as I expected, and it has never reached the size described in the catalogs. But I'm not about to get rid of it for that reason!

    Molineux is my best grower in the heat and sun. True, its colors are always changing --which I rather enjoy--but it is still yellow--sometimes more creamy yellow, other times more apricot yellow, sometimes just yellow.

    I moved my Queen of Sweden to a sunnier area last spring, and she seems to love it. Absolutely exquisite blooms of a pale pink with maybe just a hint of apricot--I'm not sure how to describe it. It is a more upright rose and narrow--you might want to plant 3 closely together like Austin recommends for a fuller bush look. The blooms stay up top of strong stems. Good bloomer.

    It might be helpful for you to indicate what sizes you are interested in. Lot of size variety among Austin roses.

    Kate

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thank you thank you! You guys really know how to encourage overindulgence, which is a ok with me. As for size, it doesn't really matter, as long as the rose keeps a nice shrubby form, is well foliaged and self-supporting. If is has scraggly long canes that need support, then maybe not because it seems like too much work.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Carding Mill is quite happy here in the north. I grow two of them on either side of a path and they get around 4' tall. Lovely soft apricot blooms and a very healthy plant. Perhaps it likes cooler weather? It looks pinker in this picture than it actually is. This may have been taken in colder weather when the apricots get pink tones.
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  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Scepter d'Isle does well for me, blooms lots, is an arching shrub. Also love James Galway for the same reason. Lady of Megginich has full, beautiful pink blooms. This will be her 3rd year and I look for her to do really well. I love Miss Alice - a smaller shrub, in full afternoon sun. Her little pale pink blooms cover the bush and come in profusion. Really like this one! Sister Elizabeth is nice too but a bigger bush, I have to keep trimming her back a bit.
    I have Evelyn in a pot, plan to put her in the ground before spring. Adore her blooms! A little mentioned Austin that I adore is Lucetta. Tall shrub, I have 2 of them. I love the scent - this is a lovely rose and grows well for me. I am starting to try more Austins this year, planted The Prince, LD Braithwaite, Benjamin Britten last fall, and have ordered several of the new ones.

    I have ordered Sir Edward Elgar - sorry to hear the bad report on him - would enjoy hearing how he grows from others.
    Judith

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    In my hot southern California garden the Austin roses that do well and fit all your criteria, i.e. upright bushes, good rebloom, tolerant of heat (and they also have no disease) are: Bishop's Castle, Wife of Bath, Cottage Rose, Carding Mill, Sister Elizabeth, Glamis Castle (white). Austin roses I saw blooming well on a blistering August day in a public garden are Charles Darwin (yellow), Anne Boleyn, Mary Magdalene, Lillian Austin, The Ingenious Mr. Fairchild and Miss Alice.

    I don't know whether you've considered tea roses at all but they're gorgeous, disease-free here and love dry heat. The Souvenir de la Malmaison clan of Bourbons are also superb here. My Madame Cornelissen (a sport of SdlM) blooms more than any of my Austins and is so lovely and fragrant.

    Ingrid

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Judith, just try Sir Edward, he may do much better for you. Make sure he gets enough sun and food and doesn't sit in a crowded location. There are nice pics of him on HMF. Let us know how you like him!

    I second Lady of Megginch. She regularly produces huge, many-petaled blooms of a very dark pink-cerise, closer to red in England at least. They last a long time on the shrub. She only has a light to medium fragrance, but she's a truly impressive rose. Laden with all the big flowers, her growth becomes arching, but not sprawling.

    Take a look at Princess Alexandra of Kent, if it is already available in the US. The color of its big flowers fits somewhere between Lady of Megginch's reddish pink and Jubilee Celebration's salmon-gold hues (another superb rose). It could be a bit more vigorous here, but still is a good rose. More upright.

    I also second some of Ingrid's suggestions:

    The exquisitly beautiful and very well repeating bourbon Souvenir de la Malmaison. It's been quite healthy both in NC and England, although it can catch a bit of PM at times. Dislikes rain and should be superb in a dry climate.

    The Ingenious Mr Fairchild has also been a very good and healthy performer in NC, although not on top of my beauty list for its slightly raggedy looking petals. But he has a lot of character, and I quite liked him, so I might get him again here.

    Lilian Austin is also very lovely, albeit quite modern looking and a bit procumbent/sprawling.

    Now, Charles Darwin was a different story for me. He was a considerable a BS magnet in NC, even with spray, and mostly produced dirty looking beige flowers albeit of impressive size and nice shape. Since they were so seldom yellow or of any other agreeable color to my humble eye, I got rid of him after 2 or 3 years. He is, however, quite photogenic - like Tea Clipper, another bad fader of beige color (don't bother with that one).

    Andrea

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Well Ingrid, now that you mention it, I have - Mrs. B R Cant, Lady Hillingdon, Souv de la Malmaison, Archduke Charles, Mme. Joseph Schwartz- of whom I expect great things in a couple of years. I am thinking of Souv de St Anne's, Sombreuil, Madame Berkeley, Le Vesuve, Eugene de Beauharnais, Comtesse du Cayla, and Archiduc Joseph/Mons Tillier?
    The thing is that even though the blooms are beautiful, I'm holding off until I see the full shrub forms.

    Madame Cornelissen sounds intriguing, will definitely look at her.
    Well, I'm off to research the rest of your suggestions :)
    Thanks again, very much.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Forgot to add-
    Please let us know how L D Braithwaite and Benjamin Britten do for you. I was very interested in the progress of Lady of Megginch, I understand she's new in the states. Also Princess Alexandra of Kent. With so many choices, it gets a bit overwhelming doesn't it?

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I live in a very different climate than you but here's my 2cents:

    Heritage - good bloomer, good resistance against BS

    Ambridge Rose - bloom is similar to Heritage, but that's where it ends. I got rid of it because it was a BS magnet.
    Crocus Rose - strong, vigorous, heavy bloomer. Color ranges from pink to yellow to almost white as the temperatures get hotter.
    It's down side is it very thorny and and gets BS, but since it always growing, it will replace the lost leaves. I'm on the fence for this one.

    If BS isn't much of problem for you, I'd recommend Abe Darby, it's peachy-pink and blooms well. I like it enough to put up with the BS.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I grew a lot of Austins when I lived near the coast in San Clemente, so probably a bit more moderate than inland even a few miles. My experiences there:

    Heritage
    A wonderful rebloomer, nice (but not strong) scent. Two minuses: For me it turned into one of the jolly green giants, shooting out 8 foot canes like mad. I might have been my inexperience in how to correctly prune it, but I ended up having to move it to a spot on its own where it could just explode. My biggest surprise was that it by December it was covered in rust while most of my other roses were fine. I'd be tempted to grow it again, but I'm not sure I would.

    Cottage Rose:
    The other rose that shot out canes on me. The scent wasn't strong enough for my tastes, and the plant looked to ragged, I think there are a lot of other Austins I would buy before this one.

    Eglantyne:
    Eglantyne has gorgeous blooms, and a soft, nice scent. It wanted to be a big plant for me, around 5 feet.

    Queen of Sweden:
    I love the flowers on this rose, and indeed, they sit perfectly upright on the tops of the branches, almost like waterlillies floating in the air. Nice scent, soft.

    The Prince:
    I grew this in SoCal. Worth every minute waiting for the blooms on an unremarkable bush. The flowers are magnificent. Rich, royal purples that change colour every day on blooms that last well over a week, sometimes two. The most amazing, strong, luscious scent. Highly recommended.

    Evelyn:
    I really liked this rose in SoCal. They say you need to feed and baby her, and I guess I feed and baby all of my roses, so she didn't get any special treatment, but they all had lots of organic foods and manures throughout the year. I love the shades of pink and cream, a most romantic rose, with a delicious scent.

    Molineux:
    Molineux in my SoCal garden was in bloom a lot. I don't find the flowers to be very remarkable, but as a back bush with reliable colour I think it is hard to beat. It has a strong Tea scent that for me, smells just like tea!! I finally understood what the name meant!.

    I'd also recommend from my San Clemente garden:
    Sister Elizabeth:
    Lots of blooms, strong fabulous scent, very beautiful flowers verging on lilac colouring. Small plant, medium flowers.

    William Shakespeare 2000:
    Fantastic flowers on a nicely shaped shrub with strong, wonderful scent. One of Austin's best.

    Jude the Obscure:
    If there could be only one Austin, this might be it for me. Globular flowers with an amazing sweet fruity wine scent. I could stick my nose in it all day long. It grew really well for me, putting out new flowers constantly.

    Charles Darwin:
    Some people complain about the flower colour, for me it was always a rich mustardy yellow. Strong scent. Strong branches hold the flowers out. I really liked it.

    --

    Here in England, I've started all over again, and I have a few additional recommendations, but I'm not sure how they will do for you in SoCal.

    Scepter d'isle:
    I just planted Scepter d'isle last year here in England, and I have to say I was very impressed with its first year. Lots of flowers, no disease at all, and a strong scent. Recommended.

    The Ingenious Mr. Fairchild:
    I love this underrated rose. I love the peony-shaped blooms and the incredible, sweet strong scent. In two seasons it has not been the fastest rebloomer, but there were several very good flushes and the flowers are absolutely worth the wait.

    The Huntington Rose/Alan Titchmarsh:
    This rose has had two seasons, and was almost constantly in bloom. I had complained at one point that the blooms were too heavy for the stems, but it ended up being a benefit similar to self-pegging where if I just left the plant alone it turned out to send up shoots all along the cane and I had dozens and dozens of blooms. A very good, medium scent.

    I hope this was helpful.

    Best wishes,
    robert

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Kathryn Morley grew lustily in our coastal SoCal garden, made an attractive arching plant or low climber.
    She just didn't BLOOM.

    Ambridge Rose was troubled by rust here, and had some chlorosis problems (we are very alkaline)

    Evelyn produced blooms of breathtaking lovelieness and fragrance, in sadly small quantity on a rangy climber to at least 12 ft.

    L D Braithwaite -- mildewed.

    The Prince (in afternoon shade) -- For us, this is not a big bloomer, but the blooms it does produce are striking, and it is disease-free for us.

    Jeri

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    My garden is at the eastern edge of the southern CA coastal zone (inland & uphill from Venice Beach) and we've got a lot of ocean breeze here which is not to every rose's liking. However, a lot of Austins do like it here altho currently I don't have too many planted. Here's some of the English rose that have been successful here:
    Molineux - outstanding flower producer, healthy and gigantic vase-shaped shrub 7-9ft tall. Rich golden flowers - my husband's favorite rose in the garden. Tea scent.
    Redoute - massive flower machine produced probably 5 cycles of bloom until I foolishly pruned it to contain it. 9 ft arching thorny shrub. Declined & never recovered.
    Pat Austin - grows very well, nice dark keaves and flowers particularly stunning in spring and make a remarkable contrast with dark red older roses, quite fantastic in the right planting. However, as they age, the colors fade unappealingly, turn rather pukey so I'm not sure yet how I really feel about this one....
    The Prince - stunning purplish red flowers with extravagant fragrance, but horrible bush. Mine was virused and finally SP'd it after 7 years.
    Ambridge Rose -- very beautiful but seems to mostly bloom in spring. Perhaps virused.
    Mary Rose - reliable workhouse and bloomer. More compact than Redoute who has absolutely stunning flowers with a better scent. I prefer a good OGR bloom to those of Mary Rose and would give the space to Marchessa Boccella, Sydonie or Grandmother's Hat.
    Heritage - this is my second try and she looks to be healthy and bloomey. Superb flowers and smooth foliage. She may be more of a climber here in zone 10.
    Symphony - early Austin that was here when we moved in and flowered continually. Smaller shrub that's a bit too stiff & HT for my taste.
    Crocus Rose - healthy and vigorous, but flowers so far seem bleached out in California summer sun even at the coast. Maybe will improve with age.
    Prospero - failed here, but in a warmer garden in one of the canyons, it was blooming beautifully and made a vigorous 5 ft. shrub. Would love to try this one again.
    Evelyn - had this at my former garden right near the beach and it did great. But, we moved and I haven't tried it again. Probably will as the flowers were exquisite and shrub had few thorns.
    Leander - wonderful flowers, color & scent beautiful, mostly spring blooming. Makes a mammoth shrubby hedge. We inherited ours from previous owner who planted Austins & OGRs way back in 1985. Love my Leanders!
    Golden Celebration - wonderful in southern CA, absolutely stunning flowers of pure gold. BUt it will grow big and wide, good as a low climber against a fence. Don't prune it to contain its vigor - I ruined mine and it declined.
    Abe Darby -- baby ownroot is growing VERY vigorously, but I've heard it is not a reliable rebloomer after spring. Don't know yet, but I'm certain it will become quite big.
    Jude the Obscure - gorgeous blooms. It may not be consistently hot enough here for it to really thrive. A small bush after 2 years.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Prospero - failed here, but in a warmer garden in one of the canyons, it was blooming beautifully and made a vigorous 5 ft. shrub. Would love to try this one again.

    *** In a coastal climate, with conventional pruning, two Prospero declined so badly we thought we'd lose them.
    They were unpleasing plants, and suffered from powdery mildew.

    In despair, we decided to leave them alone. Treat them like Chinas.
    They are now almost 4 ft. tall, and still with a few blooms.
    Coming, as it did, from Chateau du Clos Vougeot, I am permanently startled at its performance.
    Like many Austins, Prospero seems to be thirsty.

    JERI