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a pollen question

If you take pollen from plant A, and pollinate plant B, would it be the same plant and flower if pollen from B was pollenated on A?

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Comments (8)

  • 12 years ago

    The answer to your question is Yes.

  • 12 years ago

    The definition of a Jewish person is a human being born to a Jewish women. The father, Oiy way Gewalt, could be anybody so does not count. This is not a choke. A baby born to a non Jewish mother with a Jewish Father who wants it to be of the Jewish religion has to convert.

    I was given a Bulbophyllum macrobulbon once which did not bloom out correctly. The flowers were spectacular enough but did not look like B macrobulbon. The history of the plant is that it was a selfing by a German grower. I sent pictures to AOS, Bill Toms and had Andy, James Rose and other notables look at it and the consensus was that it is a hybrid between macrobulbon (like the Jewish mother, no doubt about that) and either B fletcherianum or B orthosepalum with the pendulum swinging to fletcherianum.

    Finally after several years of head scratching some one came up with the answer. It is B Hercules (B macrobulbon x B phaelanopsis). The flower can be seen near the bottom of the page of: Khttp://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/orchidregister/orchiddetails.asp?ID=165007 and it is a dead ringer of the flower of my plant.

    Even though it was selfed, there were other plants in bloom present and natural pollination took place, probably with a B phaelanopsis. In conclusion Pod and Pollen parents are equal but the pod parent is a little more equal.

    The picture is of the flower of my plant, please compare it to the flowers shown in the site I offered.

    Nick

  • 12 years ago

    Another view. It certainly looks like either fletcherianum or orthosepalum but has serious differences. Does not look like phaelanopsis either but B Hercules got awarded and looks just like it.

    Until the real father comes forward, I'm calling it B Hercules.

    Nick

  • 12 years ago

    But Nick, even if selfed there is that little shuffling around and dividing of
    genes that happens in plants as well as humans to ensure a little bit of diversity happens otherwise all your children would be identical.
    I am out of my depth here even with my diploma mill PHD.
    LOL.
    No experience with selfing but an big amount of diversity in the Equitant crosses made by my orchid buddy as many flower.
    Would not happen without that gene shuffling.

  • 12 years ago

    I'm under the impression that the recipient of the pollen will exert more influence.

    For example, if the pollen donor is Dendrobium kingianum and the pollen recipient is Dendrobium canaliculatum... then more of the offspring will be more like D. canaliculatum.

    When a cross is written...the pollen recipient is written first...

    Dendrobium canaliculatum x Dendrobium kingianum

    The fact that this is standard practice seems to indicate that it does matter which orchid is the pollen donor and which is the pollen recipient.

    So generally the parent you favor more should be the recipient of the pollen. If you want the offspring to have more drought tolerance...then D. canaliculatum should be the pollen recipient. If, on the other hand, you want the offspring to have more temperature tolerance...then D. kingianum should be the pollen recipient.

  • 12 years ago

    Yes, hybrid A x B is the same as B x A. They are both given the same new grex name. But more specifically, more research would have to be done of your specific parents to find out which plant makes a better pollen parent for pollination and seed production.

  • 12 years ago

    It is handy to know which parent was the pod parent and which parent was the seed parent because my orchid breeding buddy tells me that some orchids will not carry a pod. If he is doing a cross with no history he does the the cross both ways.
    Just say you look up Slc. Jewel Box on the RHS site, you will find that Slc. (now Cattlianthe) Jewel box was used 15 times as a seed parent and 53 times as a pod parent.

    As for "which way" influencing the off-spring, I have no idea whether this is fact or fiction.

  • 12 years ago

    Nick, if someone involved made good matzo ball soup some concessions could be made in regards to conversion.

    From interesting thoughts shared my guess is the answer may lie with an experienced breeder. Still excellent points. But a breeder with a few decades of experience would have first hand knowledge...

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