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Green/Brown Water

19 years ago

I have been reading through a lot of the posts about green water, although my water is green right now, it has not been clear since we did a complete overhaul of the pond 3 years ago to remove iris which had taken over. The iris had grown to about 1/3 of the pond and they were planted in the middle so they were restricting the fish from swimming from one side to the other. Anyway, I believe those iris were keeping the water nice and clean and I have not been able to get it clear ever since. Following is what I've done and some questions. Thanks!

1. Pond specifics: pond is 8 feet by 12 feet rectangle, above-ground, 18 inches deep.


2. Plants/Shade: Pond is in full sun. About 1/4 of the pond has plant cover (maybe less than 1/4 as they are still growing) and I have covered half the pond with shade cloth.

3. Filter/pump - I'm using a Tetra OFX 2000 submersed pump and a Tetra ClearChoice PF2 external biofilter. I put in the filter this Spring about 2 months ago. I was using other in pond filters before that, upgraded to this. Specs on the pump say the max gph = 2000 gph and the filter says it handles 750 gph. Hoses are 3/4 inch I think. Maybe 1 inch.

4. Fish: 3 koi, one is about 18 inches, the other two about 12 inches. Goldfish, about 30, they multiplied. When we cleaned the pond 3 years ago, we only had 7 fish, 3 koi and 4 goldfish/shubunkins.

For three years, the water has been murky. The bottom of the pond does not have a sludge buildup, it feels clean, so what is in the water is suspended, which is why I got the filter. Now the murkiness is combined with green water. No string algae but just green. Last year I tried: water hyacinth for shade, a UV filter and underwater oxygenators with no results. I no longer have the UV filter as it wasn't doing anything for me.

Some of the murkiness could be dirt, the large koi likes to knock over my plants and dirt spills out but i think this only happened when I first put the plants out, I have since filled the pots with rock instead of dirt but I think there may be dirt in the pond, though I wouldn't think it would be causing so much murkiness? This was only one or two pots that were not very big.

When I put the external filter in this year, it sits at the edge of the pond so the pump has to pump water up about 4 feet to the top of the filter and then the water falls down on the filter pads, through the plastic media and then out a spout on the bottom back into the pond. When I first put this all together and turned it on, the water gushed back into the pond. I anticipated clear water soon. Sigh. It has now been eight weeks. The water no longer gushes, it trickles, I'd say it's at half the flow now. For the size pond, it doesn't seem to be enough force to do any good.

I clean the filter pads regularly but don't touch the plastic media. This weekend I took everything apart, all the hoses, checked the pump for problems. Everything was fine, no clogs. I even finally dug down into the plastic media to see if there was a clog at the bottom of the filter preventing water flow and found nothing, all clear.

QUESTIONS:

1. I have read it takes 6 weeks to build up the bacteria needed to start filtering? How do I know when that is happening? Could that be the problem? The bacteria hasn't built up yet?

2. Water coming out of the filter is green not clear, is that right?

3. It was hot this weekend and the fish seemed to be sucking up at the top, does that mean they aren't getting enough oxygen? It cools down here at night so they were fine this morning. One fish was up in one of the plants yesterday and got stuck almost out of the water. Do I have too many fish? I know 18 inches is not very deep, I didn't build the pond.

4. With a 2000 gph pump and a 750 gph filter, I'm wondering if I need a different filter? It doesn't make sense to me. It seems that if my pump is that strong, and water is only trickling out, I need a stronger pump? What am I missing?

5. Any other advice? Though now I feel the pond is shaded well but it is still very green. I have shade cloth still covering half the pond and plants on the other end.

Any help is much appreciated, thanks!

Comments (3)

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    mew5280,

    Here's my three cents; brutal as it is. (please note: the author of this writing is really a nice guy.. really)

    1. You'll know when, when the water clears. period. Factors that influence bacteria growth are: Flow of water passing over the bacteria; washing out of filter media on schedule (use pond water, not tap), and oxygen introduction into the filter area (usually with the incoming pond water - the bacteria needs O2 to work effectively).

    2. No - It usually means your filter media is clogged and can not hold anymore (water/gunk passing right over). Clean the filter.

    3. Get an air pump and introduce O2 into your pond. Just what exactly is your afternoon water temp?

    4. "It seems that if my pump is that strong, and water is only trickling out, I need a stronger pump? What am I missing"
    You're missing that your filter media is probably clogged. Clean it. And 750 GPH is a little low (OK a lot low) for the amount of .. crud (visible and invisible) you have in that pond. Turn over rate should be for what you're asking it to do no more than once an hour.

    5. "Any other advice?"
    Well since you asked...

    Build a new pond.

    Why?

    1. The ideal stocking ratio for koi is @ 1000 gallon2 per 1 koi. Your present pond is 1080 gallons (If my figuring is right). Also your present pond is 18" deep; way too shallow for koi (at least for healthy conditions)4 feet is much better.

    2. Your present pond must have daily temperature spikes. More water volume calls for more stable H2O temps/ happier fish.

    3. The present pond is more to the liking as a vegi-filter. So that's what I'd make it. Build a connecting pond (It doesn't have to take up much space. Water volume can come with depth. ie 10 X 10 X 4 or 10 X 8 X 5 = 3000 gallons)

    4. Koi are ammonia monster. They poop and expel the stuff in large amounts (especially since they are eating & growing this time of year). More water means less likely reaching high ammonia levels quickly (and precious time to ammonia block).

    5. Warmer water lowers the dissolved O2 in the water. Add aeration if you see your fish grasping. Also see #2 above)

    So I see it as a veggie pond filled with plants to filter the water, with a few fancy goldfish; connected to (by stream or falls - I make the new one in-ground) a koi pond where the koi can "thrive and grow".

    Of course all of this is depended on:
    space
    expendable funds

    That's it in a nutshell (like a coconut)

    LP

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks, I do appreciate your reply. I do clean the filters whenever it gets gunky. There are two, one that is more porous that sits on top of the other less porous. These filters are about a foot in diameter and only a thin line down the radius has gunk on it so I don't know that that's the problem. Immediately after cleaning them, the water flow is the same. I'm attaching some photos, one is of the pond just after we cleaned it 2 years ago (I thought it was 3, only 2). I will try to attach current photos tonight showing current setup.

    ANYWAY, as to your other suggestion, maybe an overhaul is the only answer. The second photo, though in winter, shows how the pond sits in the middle of the yard. The landscape design is such that moving it or expanding it out would be difficult. We don't have the funds for anything in the yard, other than draining the pond and turning it into a flower garden! The patio in the middle is concrete, the walkways around the pond are about 2 inches of rock. Railroad ties and concrete line the garden areas you see around the patio and an underground sprinkler system runs the perimeter of the yard. To the right of the pond, which is not pictured, is an old greenhouse.

    The pond could be dug deeper I guess. It needs to be rebuilt though. The boards on top of the railroad ties are rotting now.

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  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Found some fish photos from when we re-did the pond, 2 years ago (not 3 as I mentioned earlier). Three koi and the others are goldfish or shubunkin. The koi are much bigger now, esp. the yellow one, probably 18" now, he needs a bigger pond for sure.

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