SOME Cl. Cecile Brunners actually do repeat. Nothing like the spring bloom, of course.

Ours is gone now, but when we had it, we pruned after the first bloom.
OTOH, we only pruned at the bottom of the plant, to make it possible to walk under it.

Jeri

Thanks Jeri. I have the Spray Cecile B. which blooms gloriously as often as it is deadheaded. I suspected that the reason they weren't getting a decent bloom was related to the time they pruned. This one is up against the wall.
la

Oh -- I'd get a Spray Cecile Brunner, if I had a place for it, and water.

Jeri

What I REALLY want is a new Perle d'Or.
I think the Sacramento Cemetery will have some in the April Sale.

Jeri

I had a Cl. Cecile Brunner that bloomed almost all year so there do seem to be two varieties around. I pruned it whenever it got too large for its spot and then in a fairly short time it bloomed again. There is a nursery (I believe it's Vintage) that has the reblooming variety.

Ingrid

Vintage sells a Cl Cecile that is said to repeat in our climate. I bought one, but the gophers got it so I can't say from personal experience.

I have been told that the repeat blooming Cl Cecile that Heirloom sells is actually Spray Cecile. I tried it but it never got big enough to climb into the tree I provided for it. I must confess I was quite disappointed.

Rosefolly

The last time I checked there were several different blooming sports of Cecile Brunner. The first and most familiar one is Climbing Cecile Brunner--the one that sends out twenty foot sprays and blooms heavily in spring and much less so in the fall.From Hosp in 1894 in San Bernadino. The next in time would be Spray Cecile Brunner from Howard and Sons in Los Angeles in 1941. That one (in my garden) grows stand alone up to eleven feet or so and (in my garden) tends to be a constant bloomer (and the flowers are a lighter pink than either the bush or the climbing form. Everblooming Cl Cecile Brunner is reputed to be about 16 feet tall and as the name suggests, blooms all season. It is from the Siskiyou Rare Plant Co and is sold by Heirloom only, I believe. There are also darker pink poly sports like Rita Sammons and there were Yellow sports of the Climbing version which were found by Ralph Moore in the 1920s to compete with a yellow climbing version offered by Howard, but all of the yellow ones have disappeared from commerce. (Of course, it also means that there is a chance someone will isolate a yellow sport of CB and re-introduce it again.) On the question of pruning time, I rather suspect rebloom is a question of location and climate as opposed old/new wood, but that is just an estimate on my part. JimD

I lost a very big CB last year. It was a 20 year old plant and I had to prune it back. I think it didn't like it. I don't know if it is because CB doesn't like to be pruned or if it is because it was an older plant that didn't find the resource to bounce back.

I think that if I had to do it again I would take a few years to prune it back and do it lightly.

This CB didn't repeat.

pierre

Luanne, why is this Cecile Brunner Climbing being pruned? IOW, what is their objective? Are they reducing size? Are they cleaning up? Are they reshaping? I ask because I drive by a local McDonald's where CB, Cl. was planted on a small concrete block structure over the entry walk. It's pruned with hedge clippers down to an 8 inch mass around the structure, and I've never seen it bloom.

Cass--They ought to be indicted for committing a rose felony. I cannot think of an appropriate penalty. JimD

Just to add a bit more perspective from the Southeast... I have the Cl. Cecile Brunner, and the repeat blooming Cl. Cecile Brunner (fom Ashdown) which is repeating quite well as it ascends a black walnut tree (despite the jugalone at the base...perhaps all the other plants growing under the black walnut are consuming the jugalone). I don't prune the climbing Cecile Brunners...just train them into the tree or over the pigeon loft. The non climbing, non spray Cecile Brunner has not shown the constant repeat of Perle d'Or for me yet. And, spray Cecile Brunner is still not much more than a cutting in a pot.

Hope this helps someone in this neck of the woods.

Robert

Cass,they tell me they have to prune it now because it is getting so huge and there is no end to its Spring flush, it blooms all season!I shall have to question them more closely. It could be the clone we've all been looking for.
;a

Luanne, get info and cuttings! Bet their climate is somewhat coastal. I bought the everblooming Cecile Brunner from Heirloom, and it hasn't been yet. Nothing could bloom here through late June and July other than the real heat lovers.

I have what I think is the "normal" climbing cecile bruner - one plant of it grows 3 stories up our house, and is about 20 feet wide. It blooms heavily in the Spring, and then a little all the rest of the year. We never prune it, except once when it fell off the house in a 100 mile per hour wind storm, or when the long new canes that are drooping down threaten the cars trying to get out of our driveway. Then (about every 4 years or so) my husband gets up on a 40' ladder and ties the new canes up, prunes, etc.

Jackie

I will try Cass, but rest assured, I am no dang good at it. Perhaps Luxrosa can be inveigled, she is excellent with cuttings. Yes the climate is in Emereyville, a mile from the marina.
la

We supposedly have the repeat-blooming climbing CB in the cemetery. While it's been spitting out flowers for the past few months, it's certainly not had a repeat flush. I just took out my climbing CB at home - too much plant, not enough flowers - and feel pretty much the same about the cemetery plant. Don't know about pruning, but I've observed that it blooms a bit on wood that is cut after the first flush, which is not uncommon in our climate on the climbers.
Anita

Any fans for Opal Brunner?

Does anyone have the white Cecile Brunner? I just ordered it from Vintage and am curious about what it will do.

I have grown White Cecile Brunner for the last three years. It quickly shot up to two and half feet and mimics the bush CB by blooming steadily throughout the season with no prickles to speak of. I would truly like to see the yellow sport of CB, but it has been lost for a long time.

JimD

Thank you, Jim. That is truly what I was hoping to hear. I hope that your white will sport to yellow sometime and you can enrich us all.

It's a repeat bloomer here. The Climbing Cecile Brunner does a big spring bloom period and on and off in summer. It also does a nice fall display. I only prune for size. Yes it's a fencer eater and grows at least 20 to 30 feet. It's not a hybrid tea.

JD -- The White Cecile sounds like a winner.
Is the foliage clean for you?

Jeri

Jeri-It is your typical tea-poly, absolutely suited to life in southern california. It is highly disease-resistant and takes almost no care except a little fertilizing and a minor amount of deadheading. Well worth acquiring. JimD

I LOVE the idea of a yellow Cecile Brunner!!!

Well then JD, I think I have to look for that White Cecile.
Vintage?
AH! YES! I see that it is. Well, this is something for me to plan to go for, come springtime.

BTW, can you imagine making a hedge of alternating pink and white versions of Cecile Brunner, planted very close together?

Jeri

Or having Burling create a tree with both scions on it. Wow! JimD

Can you please tell what kind this Cecil Brunner is, most of the time it blooms twice, it just finished blooming now and it is June 15th, and I would like to prune it as it is huge and I don't want it to out grow the arch way on the deck. So do you prune it right after it stops blooming? Thank you for your HELP!