I do have Baronne from ARE and I think they have the right one. I will look for a photo.

I am wondering if the plant you grew with your grandfather was a different one. Colors cream and buff could be other Tea roses.

Cream and buff could be Adam, Mrs. Dudley Cross for example. I did get a rose from ARE that was supposed to be William R. Smith that I am pretty sure is Marie von Houtte. It flushes pink which is unlike WRSmith. The multiple photos on HMF rose site do have some paler photos in their Baronne HSnoy folder. Weather can affect Tea rose color so much too. This rose ID business can get complicated. My Baronne from ARE is one of my largest most robust Teas.

Thank you for the reply @Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR

The one my grandfather grew was exactly like the helpmefind main photo. I learnt from him that it was a Dijon tea .

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.537.3&tab=1

I do see some pink photos but also a lot of buff photos . does your baronne show buff color in spring and then change as weather heats up ?

Just a reminder @Abhishek Dasgupta, Those main photos on HMF do rotate so It's hard to know to which you refer.

Sorry my bad ! i was referring to mainly the ones where it shows so much buff . Thisnis how I remebered it

That photo looks paler than my Snoy's flowers are.

I got my Baronne Henriette de Snoy from Roses Unlimited in 2002. I don't recall it ever being particularly buff colored over the years, although maybe there were outliers that I'm not remembering. I have only one pic of it, and this is pretty much exactly what it has always looked like. Hope this helps :-D

@susan9santabarbara thank you so much . Its probably similar to the ARE one . This makes me believe over the years there are probably 2 different ones . I doubt in US we have the buff version . I have seen the buff in Europe

@Abhishek Dasgupta I don't know if this information is helpful, but I had a Baronne Henriette de Snoy from Angel Gardens for a brief time. My recollection is that it was a very light creamy pink and it never got to a saturated pink, but it was a young quart sized plant and only lived a year. I'm gardening in a hot climate with nights that stay hot which might also have made the blooms stay paler. I unfortunately don't seem to have any photos of it. Anyway, Pam at Angel Gardens carries it sometimes, you could contact her if you haven't and ask if her version gets very pink.

Here's mine from Reverence for Roses, kind of silvery pink, but not as apricot as the European ones either. It died a while ago though, sorry for the fuzzy images.

Abhishek, Adam is a Tea that is more buff in color. I am going to look on HMF roses photos at that one.

I've looked at the photos and some are pink and others buff on that rose too. Mine are more buff than Snoy. I got my Adam from ARE also.

My plant of Baronne Henriette Snoy came from a sale at The Friends of Vintage Roses, it does have the lighter color sometimes, and these pictures are from the same plant. It tends to be a more flesh pink and I think the buff tones might emerge most often in mild temperatures. One of Baronne Henriette Snoy's parents, Madame Lambard, is known to shift between a variety of petal color combinations, and so it was collected from sites under a variety of study names that turned out to be the same rose. Hope this helps.

Poor Matt. Sorry you lost her. There went the Boston Tea Party.

This is amazing guys ! so many replies and each one so valuable . Well am going to wait and watch what happens next year .

@Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR am planning to get Adam although am not sure its the original one - the first tea . it looks Madam Berard to me when I saw it which is a superb rose .

These posts made me curious, so I looked up the entry for this rose in a 1957 Roses of Yesterday and Today catalogue I have. Will Tillotson describes the flowers as ”peach-pink, shaded cream”:

(Or more accurately, Tillotson quotes the grower in Georgia who sent him his starts as saying such!)

I consulted rosarian friend of mine from Belgium eho grows atleast 3 Baronne and he does think the one sold in US is probably close to Maman cochet . Both have Madam Lambard as one of the parents . so its possible for a mixup . Or weirdly this rose shows more Madam Lambard traits on own root and somehow Gloire De Dijon traits on grafted . I might graft it onto mulriflora or fortuniana to see the effect

I have Maman Cochet and Snoy is totally different. So is Madame Lombard and GdeDijon which I also have.

Abhishek, you would really enjoy the Australian Tea ladies book, if you don't already have it.

I dont but am gonna get it :)

Am a newbie having kept roses only for a few years - mostly Austins and Kordes . But am in the process of changing my garden and slowly transitioning into teas , bourbons , once bloomong ramblers, gallicas, alba and damask . Thank you and am gonna trybto get that book

If you look at the photos of Baronne Henriette Snoy on Helpmefind, even the photos from Europe look variable as some are solidly light pink and others are very pale buff apricot. Not sure if sunlight or temperature or age of the bloom effects color. According to the references, it's supposed to be flesh pink with carmine pink reverse. I planned on getting one from Burlington, but I'm not sure if their's is mostly pink or not

The book explains quite a bit about identification and the difficulties that abound and has wonderful photos.

I grew BHdeSnoy 25 years ago - had it for about a decade. Huge gorgeous buff-creamy pink blooms and fragrant. Foliage was a beautiful burgundy to dark green. Very large bush about

5-6 ft, but annoyingly awkward growth that needed support. It's been described as "liking to lean on its elbows" which is true. Our BdHS declined when we tried to shape it and pruned it too hard. It went into a sulk and never recovered. I garden in coastal southern California which has June gloom that over the past decade has extended from March thru July - we often lose the Spring bloom of full-petalled roses which ball in the morning mist. ButI don't remember the Baronne having a problem opening in Spring. The blooms are huge and luscious like Golden Celebration and the over-sensitive Abe Darby.

Mine is self supporting here. It is a beautiful bush here!