I have 3 of Madame Alfred Carriere, grown 3 different ways: spread across a pergola, over a trellis (a lot of work, but the most spectacular bloomer of the three), and up a tree. I love them all.

~ Debbie

I have several multiples

2 Marie Pavie
2 Gertrude Jeckyll
2 Barbara's Pasture Rose
2 Leander
8 Perle d'Or (grown as a hedge)

I actually used to have 6 Belinda's Dream, also as a hedge, but it was very disease prone here and I removed it.

Rosefolly

Two Double Delights and pPinocchios, one planted, one potted each. Not a lot of room so I don't go for doubles much. There are just too many I want!

Melissa -- That's lovely. I wish my climate was suitable for minutifolia -- but it's not.

Probably not good for Persiana, either, darnit. And I do enjoy the smell of linseed oil. (Takes me back to classes where I TRIED to be comfortable working with oil paints.)

We do, however, have 6 Golden Celebrations.
Perhaps 12 Grandmother's Hat.
6-7 International Herald Tribune.
3 Prospero.
3 Roseville Noisette

There may be a few others I'm not thinking of just now.

Jeri

Melissa, you are a brave woman. I had a Mermaid, but chickened out after watching it grow over just one year...

I forgot to mention earlier that I also have two Alba Odorata in the ground and another one in a pot (even after giving two to my sister for added security for her fence -- a higher percentage of cuttings "took" than I expected). It's a R. bracteata and tea hybrid, too, like Mermaid, but oddly seems less ferocious to me. Maybe it's because my plants in the ground are taking off more slowly than that Mermaid did. Still, long grasping canes and giant, viciously-curved, injury-inflicting prickles all over, so not to be discounted. And the parent plant was of impressive size.

~Debbie

Duplicates in my garden:

Louis Phillipe--11
Mrs. B.R. Cant--3
Westerland--2
Reve d'Or--3
Sombreuil--3
Perle d'Or--2
Belinda's Dream--4. I had many more but lost them to a cane die-back disease.
Clotilde Soupert--3 bush and 3 climbing
Crepuscule--3
Rosette Delizzy--3

I also try to keep duplicates of all my roses in case I lose any to nematodes. I'm not always successful at that, though.

Melissa, what a great report on your roses. They all sound fascinating, but Rosa minutifolia and Rosa foetida 'Persiana especially so. You do know your roses, and I admire this and learned something today, too. Thanks for your post.
I have multiples of the following:

Evelyn--5
Bernstein-Rose--3
Sisters Fairy Tale--3
Ebb Tide--3
Stephans Big Purple--2
Julia Child--2
Ascot--2
Eglantyne--2

All modern roses. Diane

Souvenir de la Malmaison 2
Belinda's Dream 2
Madame Dore 2
Mrs. B.R. Cant 2
Le Vesuve 4
Sophy's Rose 2
Mr. Bluebird 4
Mrs. Dudley Cross 2
La France 2
Baptiste Lafaye 2
Leveson-Gower 2

I never realized I had so many multiples. I hope that doesn't denote a lack of imagination!

Ingrid

Alba Odorata --- Debbie, you are a brave woman. I wish I had video of the day I walked too close to a big, very old, wholly-untended Alba Odorata in an old cemetery. Wearing a long, full skirt.

Took two guys to extricate me.

It's a rose I admire, respect, and fear.

Jeri

Melissa, I would love to see photos of your two different Rosa californicas. Do you have some?
Daisy

I definitely doubled up on my most fragrant. The last two were doubles because I couldn't resist the price.

Chrysler Imperial (3)
Crimson Glory (3)
Double Delight (2)
Fragrant Cloud (2)
Young Lycidas (2)
Just Joey (2)
Miss All American Beauty (2)
cl. St. Joseph Coat (2)

3 Clotilde Soupert (2 bushes, 1 climber)
2 Chrysler Imperial
3 Souv de la Malmaison
2 Peach Drift
2 Red Drift
2 Sweet Chariot
2 White Pet
2 Borderer
2 Maman Cochet (1 bush, 1 climber)

Floridarosez, do your Rosette Delizys get botrytis? If yes, how badly? I've just had 2 rosarian friends in Brooksville say theirs do and mine did. I have a new one that I'll probably take out in light of this news.

Sorry, Mauvegirl, no hijack meant. Great post.

Sherry

Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...

3 'Souvenir de la Malmaison' (1 graft, 1 a bought own-root, 1 a self-layering which I couldn't bear to just dig up and throw away; the bought own-root is the largest plant, by far, but I'm sure the own-root self-layering will catch up with it).

4 'Roger Lambelin' (not because the variety does well for me--just the opposite--it's so skimpy and parsimonious with flowers that I thought four plants would bring me four times the number of blossoms (I find its blossoms particularly fascinating). Now I have four skimpy and parsimonious plants . . . which, if they don't "pay their rent" this year, are serious candidates for being sent to the great rosarium in the sky.

2 'Faberge' (truly one of the great roses of all time; but I only have two because the first one I bought looked like it wasn't going to make it, so, as a precaution, I bought another. Now the "dying" one is a magnificent five feet tall; and the other one not far behind.

2 'Joasine Hanet'/'Portland from Glendora'. A wonderful, distinctive rose.

Then there are the clumps which have a greater or lesser number of offsets at a greater or lesser distance from the original: 'Duchesse d'Angouleme', 'Papa Vibert', 'Miranda', 'Smoky', 'Pergolese'.

Sherry, no, they don't, but they did get my unknown cane die-back disease. My B's Dreams have gotten botrytis after several days of rainy, cloudy weather but not Delizzy.

Souv de Malmaison 2 bush, 1 cl
Gertrude Jeckell - 2
2 Belinda's Dream
2 Crown Princess Margaret
2 cl Clothilde Soupert
2 Old Blush
I have doubles of each because I truly love them, exceptGertie. She gets more bs than I would like.
But, her spring bloom is really nice and smells great.

FWIW, Our Rosette Delizy has never had botrytis problems. It's a wonderfully colorful rose here near the coast, and is completely trouble-free for us.

And, now I think about it -- HAS been trouble free for more than 20 years. (Originally purchased from ARE. Own-Root.)

Jeri

Hi Daisy,

Yep, I have lots of photos of both Los Berros and First Dawn (as well as a few of the one without a cultivar name--somewhere--plus additional pics of various R. californicas that my local botanic garden has which were collected in counties throughout the state--also *somewhere*). I wish gardenweb allowed posting of multiple pics directly from one's computer so that I could more easily post a series of shots for comparison. Since I haven't uploaded most of them to photo sites.

From what I have on Flickr:

Rosa californica 'First Dawn'
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Rosa californica 'Los Berros'
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Below is the first flower on a new baby plant in a 1 gallon container of Rosa californica purchased at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden's Grow Native Nursery. I'll have to look at the pot (which I kept) to see who grew it, but as best I recall it was Moosa Creek Nursery. I believe they have some in stock now from El Nativo Growers (in pots next to First Dawn from Suncrest--and the plants even without flowers look different). Sometimes they have some in stock that were grown from collections made on the grounds, including thornless R. californica.

Melissa

I have multiples of several roses, not counting those who have spread by themselves, such as countless Charles de Mills and two large thickets of the very common double white spinosissima of a variety called White Rose of Finland in Scandinavia:

4 Agnes
3 Marianne
3 Hansa
9 Amber Queen
6 Bernstein-Rose
6 Irene of Denmark
6 Iceberg
3 Elena
8 Jan Spek
8 Mevrouw Nathalie Nypels
2 Yellow Westerland (aka Korona)
3 Salzaquelle
6 Bonica
3 Karen Blixen

The photo shows a part of the largest thicket of Double Whites. We have problems keeping it from straying over to the pavement.

3) Blanc Double de Coubert

2. New Zealand

3. Pretty Jessica

If it performs well this season, I'd love to acquire more plants of 'Gruss an Coburg'...The fragrance is SO incredible! I'm really excited about it!

lovely pictures, day dreams are free

I was inspired when looking up
the origin of the phrase in the title:

Perle Reid Mesta (nee Skirvin), was an American socialite who reportedly threw the most lavish of parties, soirees, & receptions.

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mariannese, that photo is so gorgeous. I wonder if you have rebloom on this variety; it really is a beautiful (and obviously very vigorous) rose.

Ingrid

No rebloom, Ingrid, only the occasional late flower, a feature of many of the spinosissimas. It has very good fall color though, in russet, greyish purple, ochre and sometimes bright red depending on the weather. Hips are black and shiny.

That must be very beautiful to see a large bush such as this one turn into beautiful fall colors. I hope it also has a long period of spring bloom.

Thank-you for the photos Melissa.
Your description of Rosa californica First Dawn caught my attention.
"Extremely fragrant" and "prolific repeater" are phrases that I love to hear about roses.
In my small garden, these are attributes I need when it comes to choosing a new rose.
Daisy

Rotesmere - seven, six from suckers.
Rose de Rescht - two with one from a sucker
The Mayflower - five with 3 from suckers
Westerland - two, one for each side of the arbor

These are spread out in my garden.

getting a good thicket going of D.White myself.
There is only one rose I have in multiples, although there are a few doubles knocking around. I have 4 plants of what seems like a small and nondescript pink- certainly no fragrance, but Sommerwind (aka Sussex) is a truly great landscape rose. Literally continuous for months, never a smidgeon of disease (a complete rarity) and lasts as a spray in a vase for a fortnight. The blooms have a perfect rounded form in miniature.
The most reliable little rose I know - I grow it on the edges of the veggie beds (it looks fabulous with red cabbage and curly parsley).