Immersed in spring planting

13 years ago

I have finished up my tree planting, and also completed phase one of planting flowering native shrubs to attract birds. In the fall I hope to expand that bed with more manzanitas, ceanothus, ribes, and native sages. There are a lot of birds here, but greedy me, I want there to be even more! So the area outside the fence has moved to watering and monitoring status. Now my focus returns to the new roses inside the fence. When I planted the Olive Tree Garden two years ago I fully believed that it would be the last new bed, but now I am filling in an area of poorer soil just past the pine tree, to be called, of course, the Pine Tree Garden. I'm amending generously with compost in hopes that the roses will thrive.

Finally now I am planting the contents of the accumulated pot ghetto. First I'm planting the ones that won't fit in the new bed. In the past few days Rozette Delizy found a home in the Terrace Garden. General Gallieni is on order and will go there as well. Miss Atwood is now planted in the Olive Tree Garden. Windsor Tea (on order) and Oneto Home Saffron will go there as well, completely filling all possible available space there. I finally found a planting spot for Secret Garden Musk Climber at long last, but it involves moving a a lilac. I'm not willing to do that until after the lilac finishes blooming, so that is on hold.

Here are the roses for the Pine Tree Garden, to be spaced on 8 foot centers in an arc. I have never personally grown any of these, so please speak up and tell me if any two should not grown next to each other due to an unhappy color clash. The colors listed are my best guess looking at pictures or observing the roses grown elsewhere. The numbers are growth habit numbers from the Vintage catalog.

Le Vesuve - 2 - pale pink
Madame Jules Gravereaux - 3 - apricot
Edith Perry (seedling of Bon Silene) - ? - pink
Madame Berkeley - 3 - pink/yellow
Monsieur Tillier - 3 - copper pink
White Maman Cochet - 3 - white
Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux - 3 - pink
Etoile de Lyon - 3 - gold
Souvenir de Pierre Notting - 2 - yellow
Le Pactole - 2 - white

Besides that I planted a couple more tree peonies and a couple of new hardy geraniums. All in all, I'm having a glorious time!

Rosefolly

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13 years ago
Le Vesuve has something of a lilac tone and doesn't go well right next to warmer pinks like Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux, to my eye (been there, done that, had to fix it).

Souvenir de Pierre Notting and Etoile de Lyon (ex Vintage) look so much alike they could be identical-twins-separated-at-birth (though there are differences, if closely examined), so I wouldn't plant them next to each other unless you want a "mass" of that look. Neither ever mildews, either.

What a nice bunch of roses!

~ Debbie
rosefolly
Original Author
13 years ago
Thanks, Debbie! That is the kind of thing I needed to know. I will separate Pierre and Etoile, and I will put Le Vesuve on the end with a white next to it -- unless one of the other pinks has that cool tone.
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
13 years ago
rosefolly, I suspect you may be the reason Vintage told me they were out of Rhodologue - my apologies if you bought it elswhere.

Le Vesuve can have a strong cerise color in bud and on the outside petals. I should know, I have four. I would say they're more of a 3 in size. They're very spreading; you might want to allow extra room for yours. A white next to it would be great. I have one of mine next to Mrs. Dudley Cross. Le Vesuve has vicious and numerous little thorns. (That was really brought to my attention when I fell into one before rolling down the hill).

Your rose choices are magnificent. Frankly, Madame Berkeley is not a favorite of mine, but that's just me. Many people love it.

I cannot wait to see pictures of this area later in the year and the years after that!.

Ingrid
rosefolly
Original Author
13 years ago
Thank you for the compliment, Ingrid. I researched heavily for good teas that were not likely to mildew, both here on the forum and with the Tea Book. As for Rhodologue, I bought mine about a year ago. If that is when you tried to buy yours, I may indeed be the culprit.

I'm thinking of taking Le Vesuve out of the arc altogether, though where I will plant it is another issue. If I put it on the end with a white tea next to it I solve the color problem but create a different issue. At one end of the arc we are up next to the fig tree. At the other end it is even worse, the lemon tree. Either way we are likely to get heavily snagged as we attempt to pick fruit. taking it out, everything becomes much easier. I could almost arrange them at random, just keeping Etoile and Pierre apart.

Rosefolly
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
13 years ago
Rosefolly, I would really advise against planting it near a fruiting tree. I've been snagged by my Le Vesuves so many times and it is not fun. I think you're wise to think of another arrangement. I have quite a few teas and all of them are benign compared to Le Vesuve in the thorn department, although every one other than the thornless Mrs. Dudley Cross has snagged me at one time or another. Still, I would not be without this rose since it's such a trooper in my hot and dry garden and I love its variable colors. Alas, it's not a good rose for cutting but I think some of your others will be, especially Rhodologue.

I notice you have Miss Atwood, which is one of my tallest and widest teas. A very good rose, and even good for the house when cut in very tight bud.

Ingrid