Well come on, Seil - I didn't take you for a ditherer....but you won't really know till you try.....nothing like succeeding in an impossibly unlikely task - the financial loss is more than compensated for by that (portentous voiceover) 'five (15? 20?) year mission.......to seek out brave new worlds...... to boldly go where no man (or woman) has gone before'

I'm in a slightly warmer zone (6b/7a) and I can grow both teas and chinas on the protected side of my house. The other side that gets the wind all winter has Champney's Pink Cluster, and it always dies almost back to its roots. I can never get it well established.

Of course, all of my experience has been within the past 5 years, but I'm sure someone with longer expereince will chime in too :)

Tammy

Seil,

I am trying White Maman Cochet in a protected spot. This is its first Winter and so far it looks alive but looks can be deceiving. Spring will tell. Not content with tempting fate once, I have ordered Devoniensis which has a reputation for slow growth but Father Jerome tempted me. It wasn't too hard. I will try to remember to give you reports but if I don't please nudge my memory.

Cath

Hi seil, I live in Ohio, and believe I have seen Duchess de Brabant growing well in a public garden in the Youngstown areawhich used to be colder than your zone. Cant tell you about the Archduke. And it seems tha someone here from Michigan grew it, can't remember who.
roseberri

Morning Seil
I grow both these roses in Western Washington. While my zone is warmer than yours, I often get November temps of 6-12 degrees. You can imagand ine how rose bushes love that. Actually they seem to do ok.
Of tthe two Dutchess de Braband thrives as does Mons Tillier and the Cochet clan.
Archduke has lovely two tone blooms but the bush has only grown to 2 feet for me. Surprisingly all the teas, chinas and tea-nooisettes have been evergreen here. Cannot say the same for hybrid teas.

Go for it.
Jeannie

Pot them up. They should do OK for you. During the winter just throw an extra pile (maybe a big pile) of leaf matter on top of them. A little bit of extra protection will keep YOU happy. They're worth it.

Thank you all so much!

Camp, I do push the envelope all the time but usually with cheapie roses so there isn't a lot of money at stake. These two will have to be ordered and will be pricey so I wanted to be sure they at least stood a chance of making it. On a pension I don't have money to burn so I'm a little more careful now.

Unfortunately, Tammy, my most protected side of the yard is on the East between the houses and gets absolutely NO sun. So that is not a planting option. Impatiens do well there, lol!

Those are both beautiful, Cath. I hope they winter well for you! Maman Cochet might work for me but Devoniensis gets WAY too big!

Roseberri, thank you! It sounds like the Duchesse may do OK then. Youngstown gets pretty cold! Even this winter when we've been quite a bit below normal for temps I think we only got a little below zero once or twice.

Jeannie, part of why i picked these two was that they don't seem to get all that large. Space is a premium now. I really fell for the Archduke's lovely colors and he has that sort of old fashioned crushed rose form I adore.

Ken, I think the pots too. They get the best sun all season on the patio and the best winter protection too.

I really appreciate the help!

Of course! I forget the price differences between the US and UK - the most expensive roses here, are Austins, at 15 pounds (around 20 dollars?) while most of our roses come in at around a tenner - less than a round in the pub or a night at the pictures. And, as a massive cheapskate myself, I shoulda known better than to be flip......but still, a life with no risk is a dull time in my book (even though the most risky thing in my life is pondering a professional haircut - Mr.Campanula usually does it).

No worries, Campanula. I knew you were teasing. I do like to do some weird things and experiment but sometimes I ask first just to find out what to expect. It isn't so much the price of the rose but the cost of the shipping that's a killer! And there are no nurseries around me that sell OGRs at all so I have to order them. The shipping is more than the roses. I'm ordering from Angel Gardens because they have both in stock in gallon size. I checked a bunch of places but they were out of one or the other. I know the bands are cheaper but I have trouble getting the little ones through the first winter. I'm hoping the bigger size will make them stronger for the first winter.

I got a little extra pin money from doing a rose talk for a local garden club. I didn't expect to get paid but they sent me a check! Well, duh, you knew that was going to buy more roses, lol!

OK, so I'm off to go order!

Campanula, you made me remember a garden blog I found called Piece of Eden ( to boldly grow where no man had lawn before )