Please help selecting a Damask-scented rose for pot

14 years ago

Hello,

I've got a couple of DA roses coming tommorow but I want something different and more historic. But I'm not sure which antique rose will do well in my climate. I live in Southern California in the inland valleys. So it can get pretty hot and dry during summer. This rose I am looking for, preferably a something in the red to dark pink range, will probably stay in a 5 gal pot so anything that is short and bushy will be great.

Two of the qualities it must have for sure is good repeat blooming and a damask scent. I don't think I've ever smelled the damask scent before (I've mainly smelled just tea roses with that scent I describe as lychee-like). And I've read some varieties I was initially looking to purchase do not even bloom well if it doesn't get enough winter chill.

Thank you,

Dar

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JessicaBe
14 years ago
From all what I have read you will need a bigger pot for a mature plant but here is a damask that I found.

Vintage Gardens: Indigo (Portland damask)- its a repeat and has damask fragrance. they have it available for $17
http://vintagegardens.com/roses.aspx?cat_id=28

Rogue Valley: Rose de Rescht (Portland Damask)- repeat blooming and damask fragrance.
https://www.roguevalleyroses.com/rose/rose-de-rescht
melissa_thefarm
14 years ago
I don't know anything about growing roses in pots, but wonder if one of the more contained Damask-scented red Hybrid Teas might do? There are quite a few. 'Barcelona'/'Francis Dubreuil' is a tough rose, strongly fragrant; rather fussy but certainly small, dark, and fragrant is 'Nigrette'/'Louis XIV'. These are two varieties I have personal experience with, but there are quite a few others. I was thinking about keeping my cutting-grown 'Nigrette' in a pot, just because it is a small rose and I was afraid it might get run over out in the garden. But I would like to hear others on the subject.
Melissa
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User
14 years ago
Take a look at the minature, 'Sweet Chariot'.

Also, the David Austin, 'Pretty Jessica'.
organic_tosca
14 years ago
Melissa and Misaboru, I had 'Nigrette' in a pot. It was one of the first three old roses that I got, and none of them got off to a good start because I didn't know what I was doing! I really fell for 'Nigrette', loved the color, but it was not happy once we moved to my present apartment (quite soon after I got the rose), where the '"garden" is on the west-facing balcony. The strong sun and the heat were extremely hard on the plant, and the blooms crisped. It didn't die - I donated it to the Open Garden Rose Sale at the Sacramento Cemetery. Anita took it to her garden for the Fall and Winter, and by Spring it was LOVELY! The little blooms were to die for. Someone bought it at the Rose Sale and was thrilled to have gotten it. It spent all the time I had it in a pot, ditto while it was at Anita's. I think it was fine in a pot, it was just the extremely challenging environment at my place that made it so unhappy.
The other two of those original three were 'Devoniensis' and 'Mme. Antoine Mari'. 'Dev' is tremendously happy in a plot at the Sac Cemetery Rose Garden (I donated it to them at the same time I donated 'Nigrette' to the sale), but MAM died. I don't know why, but I sure felt guilty (and probably was). I have 3 other roses in pots out on the balcony now, and they are all pretty happy, at least so far.

Laura
jerijen
14 years ago
"Francis Dubreuil" of-commerce is a modern rose -- 'Barcelona,' an HT.

Pots and roses:

PARTICULARLY in the inland Valleys of SoCal, you will need a pot FAR larger than 5-G to grow the sort of rose you're thinking of.

I would probably try 'Rose de Rescht,' which has the Damask fragrance the Original Poster wants -- but NOT in a 5G. You need at LEAST a 15-G, and would be better with a 20-G container.

If you really NEED something that will be OK growing permanently in a 5G pot, I would strongly recommend one of the Micro-Miniatures. There are many of them, and they're delightful. If you want history, choose 'Roulettii':

Rosa chinensis minima
Bred by Unknown Chinese Breeder(s) (China, before 1810).
Discovered by Colonel Roulet (Switzerland, circa 1917).
Introduced in Switzerland by Henry Correvon in 1920 as 'Rouletii'.
The parent stock of the modern Miniatures, and probably ancient.
No, you won't have the fragrance, but you WILL have a healthy little plant that can manage a 5G.

Even so, in your climate, you're going to have to be conscientious about watering. Regularly.

Jeri
Dar Sunset Zone 18
Original Author
14 years ago
Thank you all for your gracious replies. I really appreciate the time you all took to write these suggestions. I've gone through them all and I am putting Rose de Rescht on my purchase list. Thanks again everyone.

I adore the backstory on RdR and the color is just right what I wanted. Rogue Valley is out of stock of RdR though, so I will have to find it at another online retailer.
jerijen
14 years ago
Just two words, musaboru:

BIG POT
:-)

Jeri
User
14 years ago
Rose de Rescht is a great rose with a nice scent, but just wanted to give you a heads up about the color. In warm zones, it's a brighter fucshia pink rather than the dark red/pink often seen in pictures. At least that was my experience with it.

If you look through the pictures at HelpMeFind, you'll see the variation in color it can have.

Try Antique Rose Emporium if Rogue Valley is out.