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Need help with Relays???

20 years ago

Hey everyone, finally I am about to build my 18x30 GH. I live in southern CA so we're gonna be in the heat of things very soon. I bought a 7100CFM exhaust fan and a 3X10 evap cooler. I plan to run 2 fans to circulate the air 24/7.

Ok now here's the part I get confused about. First of all, should I run one thermostat to kick on the evap cooler's water pump and the exhaust fan at the same time? Then I read somewhere that you should turn off your circulating fans when the exhaust fan is on so that air can be pulled through evenly to the exhaust fan or something like that. I've read many posts but I just don't know much about electricty and relays and 24vac and all that stuff you guys have been talking about. Can someone point me to a website or something I can purchase a relay that will turn off the circulating fans when the exhaust fan is on? Or should I just leave the circulating fans on all the time?

One last question. I have a wetwall for the evaporative cooler. What do you people here in CA. I feel that at night it might be cold so I need to close the wall off but then I'm pretty sure in the daytime when the sun is out I might need to open it so that we can get cool air going through. Is there something that can automate this for me? Btw I will be growing orchids and have 60% aluminate shade cloth. I have bought 6mm twinwall polycarbonate.

Thanks for any help, it will be appreciated and I will start to post pictures as the greenhouse developes for everyone to critique!

Comments (9)

  • 20 years ago

    I'd definitely put shutters on your wetwall - otherwise a strong cold wind would blow your heat straight out.

    Regarding your relays, it's hard to answer your question without knowing more about the problem. Can you write down rules likes 'if it gets too hot, then turn off the main fan and turn on the evap cooler water and turn on the extractor fan'? If you can write rules in this pedantic form then we can have a bash at designing a relay network for you.

  • 20 years ago

    Well I'd like to have my circulation fans on 24/7.

    Then if it gets too hot, say 85-90 degrees then I'd have the circulation fans turn off and the exhaust fan + wetwall turn on.

    That's about it. Are there shutters that are 10'x3' and are automatic? Where can I buy these at?

  • 20 years ago

    Ok, you'll need 1 relay: You need a DPDT relay, capable of switching the largest load (whether it is circ fan or the wetwall stuff) - probably you can get a 120V 15A relay quite cheap. I don't know what you intend to switch it using, perhaps an off the shelf thermostat. Whatever does the switching will have to provide a voltage and current to drive the relay on and off. That is the coil voltage of the relay.

    Connect the NC contacts of the relay to the circ fan and the NO contacts to the wetwall and exhaust fan. The commons go to the mains. Make sure everything is well soldered, there are no bridging wires or solder and put the whole thing in a water tight box (I usually use clear kitchen plastics for this, with a blog of silicone on all the wires and good metal wire-clamps attached together to prevent a yank from breaking the device.

    Solder all the Earth lines together and insulate - this is the most important step as it will give you some protection against faults, particularly if you also have a GFI/ELD/RCD safety switch.

    (* njh wonders about the sensibility of wiring a high voltage relay following instructions off the web...)

    Perhaps you should find someone who knows about these things to do it for you? It's quite straightforward, but if you get it wrong you might make the fan become electrified or something.

    I don't know about the shutters, perhaps you can just buy 3 lots of 3x3? I'd ask the place you got the wetwall. I don't live in the US, so my advice there would be useless in any case.

  • 20 years ago

    When you wire the thermostat remember that a thermostat closes and applies current when it is too cold so you will wire the fans that you want to run all the time to the side of the relay that makes contact when the coil is energized. When the GH gets too hot and the thermostat will cut the current then the spring closes the relay and turns on the wet wall

  • 20 years ago

    When dealing with mains voltages - if your expertise is such that you need to ask how to do it - then it is best to get someone else to do it for you. Especially in a situation where there is water involved..........

  • 20 years ago

    I'd recommend multiple relays. You don't always want/need to run both the exhaust fan and evaporative cooler. Ideally, cooling would be handled in stages as the temperature increases, something like this:

    Stage 1 - Open vents
    Stage 2 - Exhaust fan on
    Stage 3 - Evaporative Cooler on

    The resaon for running the fan after turning off the coooler is to dry out the pads.

  • 20 years ago

    Thanks for the help so far guys. I think I like gbrendemuehl's idea of having several thermostats. That way I don't even need relays and all this electrical work since I know nothing about it. My main expertise is orchids. Will post pics in about 2 weeks !!! I'm so excited.

  • 20 years ago

    Hi kaylin002,

    I was just wondering where you purchased the supplies(exhaust fan, evaporative cooler etc.) I am also looking to build a greenhouse in Southern CA almost the same size as yours.
    Good luck with your grenhouse and let us know of the progress!

  • 20 years ago

    I bought the exhaust fan/wetwall/and shadecloth at http://www6.mailordercentral.com/igcusastore/products.asp?dept=1034

    I bought the twinwall at sundance supply because I only went with 6mm. If you go with 8, you should get it at IGC i think, almost the same price. The structure is going to be wood so that's gonna be HD.

    hope this helps.

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