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Aloha disappointment - please help explain...

19 years ago

I was so looking forward to planting Aloha that I made a special trip to the nursery. I bought 2 and planted one. But the colour was wrong, the bloom shape nasty and small and the leaves straggly and yellow with lots of bare canes at the bottom. I then un-planted that one, plan to give it away and return the other plant to the nursery.

So, why is it that many times the bloom colour looks so different in the photos from the reality? I thougt Aloha was a lovely pale pink, but it turned out to be a garish cerise with a small, floppy, insignificant bloom. Do blooms improve as the plant matures??!

Is Aloha really like this? I had read such great things... Can anyone please explain what is going on?

Thanks

Confused of Zone 10

Comments (19)

  • 19 years ago

    Normal blooms are large and fragrant, heavily petalled, a blend of rose pink with some mild light salmon tones.

    You may have a mislabelled rose. I've never seen cerise tones. However, some Aloha buds in cool dark weather have magenta and mauve tones before opening. In spring I sometimes get stubby buds with gross veggie centers.

    Aloha has shiny medium green foliage and large hooked thorns.

  • 19 years ago

    Like Michael said: Normal Aloha blooms are large, fragrant, the leaves shiny, and the color is rose pink to light pink w/ some salmon mixed in. Maybe what you have is NOT Aloha? This is what my Aloha consistently looks like here in NH....

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    I got my Aloha mail-order from The Antique Rose Emporium, so I'd say mine is the real deal. If you had the real Aloha I am sure you wouldn't be disappointed. What you're describing just doesn't sound right, unless maybe you got some bad clones.

    Celeste

  • 19 years ago

    Young plants often have very disappointing blooms, especially when the normal flower is a large, fragrant, heavily petalled one. It takes a lot of energy to grow a big fat fragrant flower; the young plant, working to estabish itself, often does not have sufficent energy to spare.

  • 19 years ago

    Don't give up on Aloha! I had somewhat the same problem with the first bloom, though mine was a strong salmon color. Also had the prob with vegetative centers once in a while.
    I almost sp'd the plant. But I'm so glad I didn't because it has turned out to be the number one star of my garden -gorgeous, fragrant, very double, old-fashioned, and prolific. It is a very vigorous plant and healthy plant, so I would expect the foliage to improve as soon as it enters a growth phase. Mine was devastated by the horrid late freeze this spring, and lost all its lush new growth - looked like a goner. But now it is coming on strong.
    Its bloom color is somewhat variable. I've seen some in the nursery with an indescribable, but gorgeous, muted red-pink with salmon pink. All my blooms, once the weather warms and stabilizes, are clear light pink. I think this variety does best in hot weather.

  • 19 years ago

    And there is a second, very Aloha-like rose out there that is sold as Aloha, but both are keepers. A friend grows it, we've held her bloom next to mine and the color palettes are different, but both are very good roses.
    Not a hint of cerise in either.

  • 19 years ago

    Celeste, that's a beautiful portrait of the rose.

  • 19 years ago

    Give up on Aloha. It excels in cold climates and almost expires from rust in mild ones. There are much better roses that repeat better in Zone 10. Learn a bit about rose genetics and take a look at roses derived from Asian species - - Teas, Chinas and Noisettes, which will bloom 11 months a year for you. Marketing Aloha in Zone 10 is like marketing Old Blush in Minnesota: ignorant or cynical.

  • 19 years ago

    I had Aloha for several yrs. here, in Z8, and it was never a good performer. Now that I have more experience, I know that the problem was thrips. The blooms were never pretty, even in fall. Buff Beauty was the same here and that was really a disappointment since my name is Buff!
    I agree about the teas, chinas and Noisettes. They all perform beautifully here. Have you tried Mutabilis? It is the bomb! Sally Holmes, as a climber, is a bloom machine as well. Buff

  • 19 years ago

    Thanks everyone for your input. My Aloha blooms looked nothing like this at all. I don't think the plant was mislabelled however as the lady at the nursery said to me that Aloha "is dark" when I saw the bloom and queried it at the site. I am still unsure whether this is a better hot or cool climate rose. I wish I could get my hands on some of those chinas, teas and noisettes but they are not available here - the largest rose nursery in the country sells only 200 varieties, mostly hybrid teas, 4 Austins and a few of the Poulenc Renaissance roses. They have offered to graft me other varieties, but I will have to find them on my own!! Apparently the Min. of Agriculture here almost never grants an import license, so I am a bit stuck.

    Anyhow, the most stunning rose I have in my garden so far - bearing all of the above in mind - and that I only started with roses 3 months ago is Eden climber. I am blown away by the enormous, prolific blooms, from the ground to the tips of the bush, shiny healthy foliage and the incredible overall beauty of the plant. I never realised that roses could be this wonderful!

    Maybe I will plant a New Dawn in the available spot (although I am bit concerned it will be too large) or Nadia Renaissance is also available, which looks nice - a kind of deep pinky red and big luscious blooms. What do you all think?

    THanks
    Joanna

  • 19 years ago

    Maybe I will plant a New Dawn in the available spot What do you all think?

    *** FWIW, Joanna, New Dawn is a mildewy mess in much of Southern California. If, as I understand, your climate is Mediterranean, New Dawn is not the ideal rose for you.
    Take Berndoodle's advice, and look more closely at the "Evergreen" roses -- Teas, Chinas, and Noisettes.
    These are the roses whose genetic makeup suits them to your (and my) conditions.

    Jeri Jennings
    In Foggy-Today Coastal Southern California

  • 19 years ago

    If the lady at the nursery thinks Aloha is dark, they may be propagating an imposter.

    Or, there is a recent Kordes rose also called Aloha. Go to Kordes Rosen or HelpMeFind to check that out.

    The old Aloha we are talking about tolerates cold winters and summer heat. It does not particularly want a cool, damp growing season, although it has been widely grown in the UK.

  • 19 years ago

    Yes, 'Aloha' would probably not be a happy camper in Z10. As for coloration, mine rather consistently have definite salmon-orange undertones to the medium pink, which explains the "tropical" name of the rose I think. BTW, it's rather outrageous IMO that Kordes was allowed to introduce another climber with the same name. Maybe the International Rose Registration people were asleep, or something more nefarious...

  • 19 years ago

    I love mine to death.The smell is awesome.Its on its own roots.I just love the smell.

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    It blooms from April-December for me.Even handles frost pretty well.It's been in this spot for 3 years now going into year 4 .It's in full sun.I tend to keep the leaves off the lower half.It gets a lil black spot,but has alot to do with the climate.I have some I've rooted and growing on arbor attempting a climber.I don't think the rose gets it for climbing.
    Buff you should try aloha again.some I traded survived in St Beneard Parish along with the castor bean.

  • 19 years ago

    HelpMeFind Roses lists three different roses with the name Aloha.
    Here is the 1949 rose by Boerner that was recommended to you.

    http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=153

    Here is the MacGredy hybrid tea of that name from 1998.

    http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=17978

    Finally, here is the Kordes climber created in Germany in 2003.

    http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=48161

    HMF also has a listing for a Kordes hybrid tea of trhe same name and description. I suspect it may be a case of two listings for the same rose, something they will undoubtedly resolve in time.

    Rosefolly

  • 19 years ago

    Is there any country from which Israel will allow ornamental plant importation?

  • 19 years ago

    Anntbz6

    This is a good question - I am trying to fing the answer. I am told it is not easy, but we will see!

    Joanna

  • 19 years ago

    Joanna,
    Some examples might include South Africa, Bermuda, India and Croatia.
    I can understand not wanting to bring in soil borne pathogens, but perhaps a totally different environment might pass.
    Ann

  • 19 years ago

    YES! Viru Viraraghavan is doing some terrific work in India, breeding warm-climate roses. And of course, there are the Alister Clark roses in Australia, which were also bred for hot climates.

    Also, there are some wonderful Old Roses which have been growing in India "forever."

    An interesting piece in the April ARS Magazine indicates that the rose-growing industry in Iran has the same problem with Rose Mosaic Virus that we have in the U.S. -- Clearly, they got THAT from US. But I suspect you would not be importing from Iran!

    Jeri