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Let's Talk Batteries

16 years ago

From my previous posts you may recall I'm the proud owner of an MTD (Wards Signature). These are such wonderful machines (go look up 'wonderful', haha). They have so many fine features, we have to talk about them. Don't get me wrong, I'm truly fond of this machine -- the old girl and I have been round the pasture a few times.

This time I want to talk about the battery. As you know, this model has the 'little' motorcycle-size battery. I've wanted a bigger battery in there for years, but short of cutting metal, nothing bigger will fit.

What's the CCA rating on this little battery anyway? Surely it can't be more than 400-450CCA? Whatever the rating is, when you try to start 18 or 20 horses with it, that little battery needs all the help it can get. A new freshly charged battery can usually get things moving, but if the battery is tired... sad story.

Optima Yellow top and Red top batteries are very favored among the off-road (Jeep, etc) crowd, because they have a huge reserve capacity, and they're spiral wound instead of plate built, and they are resistant to vibration.

Am I just fanatasizing, or is there an Optima battery made that will fit the MTD? I know it would cost $$, but it would be worth it. Barring an Optima, what's the best battery brand that would give my MTD the most whallop when I turn the key?

Talk to me about vibration. I've heard it's not a good thing for wet cell batteries? You gotta know if *I'M* having a rough ride up there on the seat, the poor battery down there right over the axle line has got to be having a rougher time. There are certain areas in open pastures where the grass isn't very thick and I try to make time with the speed, but it beats the you-know-what out of both me and the tractor... and I only just lately learned this might not be a nice thing for the battery either.

Advice, comments... and thanks.

Comments (4)

  • 16 years ago

    Quit worrying! The little bit of vibration you are getting doesn't hurt the battery! We all use them, and they hold up well.
    As for the motorcycly battery--well--they seem to work well. If they can overcome the compression of a large and high compression motorcycle engine, they surely won't be fazed by a lawn mower/ tractor engine!
    That said, i replaced one with a lawn tractor battery. I didn't want to have to buy a new MC battery, as i had a good lawn tractor one in stock.
    I took out the battery, then i shaped a strip of galvanised tin into the same shape of the larger battery, did several right-angle bends, a bit of cutting with a disc grinder, set the new holding strap down in the hole, and inserted the battery, hooked it up, and it worked! Several sheet metal screws hold the strap in place. You could use a strip of cardboard to make the pattern.
    I must admit--if you want to be self-sufficient in owning a lawn tractor, you will need to get some hand tools, as paying somebody to do things, gets old, and expensive!

  • 16 years ago

    Hey Rusty!

    Glad to hook up with ya again. Always get something good out of reading your posts.

    You wrote: "Quit worrying! The little bit of vibration you are getting doesn't hurt the battery! We all use them, and they hold up well."

    Funny you should mention that. I AM a worrier, I admit it. I worry probably too much about things I'm uncertain about, like the battery issue. I worry because like all of us here, I need the machine to start and run when it's job time... time and resources are sometimes short, and it's a pain to push the mower all the way back over to the Jeep and jump start it. I guess I worried in this same way about the other issues like tires, oil burning, blades, etc... until one by one I got those things resolved and could quit worrying about them. But you're right, I do tend to over worry about things, working on that.

    But it's good to know these batteries will basically hold up under the vibration. I need to drag out my scope and monitor the alternator output to see if it's charging properly... oh wait, I'm worrying again (heheh!).

    You described the process of modifying the receiver to accomodate the larger battery? That's one way to go. Funny thing: Saw an Ebay photo a while back of an MTD tractor for sale, and someone had hung a huge full-sized CAR battery off the back fender behind the seat. HMMM...

    You wrote: "I must admit--if you want to be self-sufficient in owning a lawn tractor, you will need to get some hand tools, as paying somebody to do things, gets old, and expensive!"

    Amen to that! It was over 30 years ago that I paid for my last 'professional' mower repair. I was mowing an apartment complex, and I screwed up and smacked the blade into a concrete irrigation pipe. Bent the shaft, oil was leaking out. I watched while this 'old school' mechanic used a large iron pipe fitted over the shaft to cold-set it back to straight. It worked, and that mower ran for a bunch of years until someone stole it (go figure!). That old guy taught me a bunch of stuff... rest is soul he's most likely gone by now... but the spirit of what he gave me lives on here. I think you've got that spirit too.

  • 16 years ago

    Just curious what the Montey Ward has for an engine? If a Briggs I/C twin these do develop ground problems over a period of time, consider bringing a good ground to one of the starter bolts. Sometimes the little 12 volt MC batteries are unavoidable due to space constraints. I use a Wally 12V/12A in my Honda GXV530 powered Gravely Pro 150, works fine. I use the same battery in my 1982 Yamaha 650 Maxim, spins the engine like no tomorrow.

  • 16 years ago

    Hey Bushleague,

    Thanks for the reply. You reminded me that I need to put a dedicated ground cable on the starter. The engine is a Briggs 20hp opposed twin. The wiring schematic for the mower indicates a ground cable on the starter motor, BUT I think it has never actually had one -- they just depended on the ground connection made by the mounting bolts. I was thinking just the other day that it might be helpful to put an actual grounding strap from the starter to the chassis. I had forgotten about doing that until you just reminded me. Now it's on my list of things to do.

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