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Compost confusion !

17 years ago

After losing all our front yard trees to the ice storm in January, we are having to rethink the whole 'impatiens and hosta' thing and deal with a blistering hot south-west exposure. We are getting bids to have a huge ivy bed removed, the area where the tree stumps were ground-out removed and top soil and compost brought in so they can plant an October Glory red maple, an autumn brilliance serviceberry and various shrubs and perennials. We have requested a lot of topsoil and compost because the existing soil is 'beige' and we haven't seen a single worm ~ it just looks dead. I think all the years of ivy and mulch has left the nitrogen levels very low. One landscaper said the top soil/compost mix is just what we need before replanting and I agree. The second landscaper said "I'll just bring in top soil and spread spaghnum peat on top and till it in before planting your trees, shrubs and sod." Is it just me or does this guy sound like he doesn't know what he's talking about? I thought peat was a carbon and certainly not what is needed if you are trying to bring in more nitrogen and rebuild the soil. Also, does peat have the 'live stuff', essential microbes and such like compost does or is it really just a carbon. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Comments (5)

  • 17 years ago

    Interesting question (I like the 'technical' questions).

    Peat moss will release nitrogen as it decomposes. But how much nitrogen is in it --- no way to tell without testing it. Sphagnum moss peat has the lowest nitrogen (I looked it up in a chart). And that is the most commonly used.
    And yes, peat moss (actually is Moss Peat) is carbon.

    But it's a good soil addendum to slowly add humus.

    But yes, I would agree with you that if the soil has little/no organic matter in it now, you would indeed want to add large amounts of compost with the top soil. Peat can be used to, but not in place of compost as the one person suggested. I'm assuming your soil doesn't need the peat for moisture retention(?).

  • 17 years ago

    It might just be a case of that person not having any compost available to sell to you. It has happened that what they have available is what they recommend you use.

    Lloyd

  • 17 years ago

    Peat moss has no nutrients and when used in a garden requires additional N added and even then if there is any other organic matter the soil bacteria will not digest it. Since you already have a lot of mineral soil available adding something called "topsoil", which is 95 percent mineral with maybe 5 percent organic matter (if it is really good "topsoil") is a waste of your money. What your soil needs is organic matter, compost. Get more compost and don't worry about the "topsoil".

  • 17 years ago

    Peat has value (I just used a bunch as part of my mix for building a raised bed), but doesn't sound like what you need. I'd get the topsoil/compost mix...and use that landscaper, since they seem to be more in alignment with what you're looking for.

  • 17 years ago

    Thanks for all your comments. If it wasn't for this forum and all you 'gardening braniacs', I wouldn't have known enough to question the use of peat vs. compost. Just loooove learning new stuff ~ you guys rock !!!

    I think Lloyds right about the one guy recommending peat because it's probably what he has on hand ~ good point!

    Kimmsr: I agree that retaining the native top soil is always the best way, but in this case, the dirt in one area is being removed because it's heavily mixed with fresh ground wood chips and the other area is being removed to take the highest percentage of english ivy roots with it.

    Someone once said that the only way to really get english ivy out of your life is to move, but we're going to try shoveling it and 8 inches of it's roots and dirt first. Will let you all know if that works.

    Thanks again ~ annie