It's a little hard to tell. I would say not Goldfinch. Does it bloom on laterals? I think Trier does not, but I could be wrong. Seagull and Rambling Rector look a lot alike. I'm sorry to say that from the photo I couldn't be really sure if it was either.

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Wow the yellow is more apparent in the second photo. Trier, Seagull and Rambling Rector in my garden wouldn't show anything that yellow. Still it doesn't look quite like Goldfinch to me. Darn, you'd think I'd be better at IDing with all the ramblers I grow.

thank you for eliminating these. it is precious for my search; Your garden is a dream on your website.. I wish i could have many many ramblers but not enough space...

Doesn't look like my Trier.

If Rambling Rector or Seagull, they'd be large enough to eat a house.

Diane

Thank you for eliminating Trier . Someone proposed "neige d'été", which should be very near, but mine is about 80 inches

Valerianet

Your rose does look something like Goldfinch. It's been awhile since I've seen that rambler. Isn't Goldfinch once-blooming, though? It sounds like your rambler is remontant--"blooming several times." Trier is remontant, but Fogrose and Mendocino would know that yours is not a match with theirs. Remontancy might be a solid clue since so many ramblers are oncelers.

Carol

Just popped over to the Vintage Gardens site (boy, am I going to miss it) and read that Goldfinch has "some" rebloom. Funny that I thought it was a once-only rose. Silly me. Maybe in some climates it is not a rebloomer?

Carol

It would help at least if i got a photo of the leaves of Goldfinch. It's done with blooming. I'll try later today. I don't get any rebloom but climate can make a difference.

here is a photo of my leaves
Thank you Fogrose ,Mendocino rose and PortlandMisteryRose

I have just found this one on the net: Aglaia, what do you think about it?

Here is a link that might be useful: {{gwi:282879}}

Valerianet

You know, it's funny that you mentioned Aglaia--isn't that a Trier parent?--because last night when I looked up Goldfinch on the Vintage site, I also popped over to the Vintage description of Aglaia. It says no rebloom, darn it!

You sure discovered a soft but dazzling yellow to white rose. It must be something amazing.

Carol

Valerian, I couldn't get out for a photo today. It's poured all day. Aglaia is a possibility. I could take photos of the leaves of both Goldfinch and Aglaia when I can get out with the camera.

Valerian, I couldn't get out for a photo today. It's poured all day. Aglaia is a possibility. I could take photos of the leaves of both Goldfinch and Aglaia when I can get out with the camera.

Valerian, I couldn't get out for a photo today. It's poured all day. Aglaia is a possibility. I could take photos of the leaves of both Goldfinch and Aglaia when I can get out with the camera.

Mendocino

How many ramblers to you grow at Mendocino de Malmaison? What a wonderful collection!

Carol

Deffo not Goldfinch (mine is blooming now and looks nothing like) The structure is insistently upright (although it arches becomingly), tight with many close basal canes and VERY multiflora with paler, matte leaves. Couldn't say regarding Trier as I am hopeless at IDs unless I am practically looking at specimens in question.

it (Goldfinch) is not a repeater for me, although Ghislaine de Feligonde ('child' of Goldfinch) does (slightly).

mendocino, what a pity this weather! Here in France, we had a cold spring and we are ready for a cold summer too...
thank you Campanula for your post, I 'll go on searching

Oh no the weather isn't a pity for me. It is a blessing. We normally receive no rain at all in the summer. Now my entire garden has been watered for me.
Carol, I've lost count of the ramblers. I've taken on the Vintage collection with a few exceptions that have gone missing. Last summer we took cuttings of Anne Belovich's collection. Many of those are waiting to go in the ground now. There must be something over 300.

300 it looks like paradise to me!
here's a better pic, perhaps more precise, and i went in my garden and discovered that these roses are perfumed, though they haven't been till now!
perhaps the weather, in fact...So I can say now it's surely a moshata, no?

Here's my Trier. Sorry about the picture quality. The flowers and buds look very like yours but the leaves seem longer and narrower. Looking more closely at the photo of the whole shrub I can see that it's blooming out at the ends. If it isn't Trier it might be another Hybrid Musk.
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Here are photos of the leaves of Aglaia, which don't look like yours either.
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I eliminated Goldfinch when I looked at it closely.
Sorry I'm not better at this.

oh thanks Trier is the best challenger till now!

have a look at Moonlight.

I just went and had a look at mine and it looks a lot more like your rose....and has a gentle sweet scent.

Someone to confirm Moonlight? I wish I could name it!!! Thanks for your proposition Campanula

I'll go out tomorrow and photograph Moonlight. There's Daybreak too. When I walked out the back door this morning I looked at Thisbe. I think it has more petals but it does have the yellow.

Daybreak has a larger flower and is yellow consistently in my garden.

I'm leaning towards Moonlight. There's also Prosperity to consider.

Diane

Prosperity is a little too full-petalled (as is Danae) and Thisbe has pointier (?) petals with a muddled centre and a funny straw colour that is a bit unique. I agree that it is not Daybreak either. Not Pax either, I think.
My musk roses are not doing anything just yet - usually nothing until July, although musk hybrids such as the Garland (which this is not) have been flowering for a couple of weeks. Sorry not to be more on the button here.

I've got photos of some of those HMs in past clients' gardens. Unfortunately, I took them in my film camera days, so the pics are all boxed up and packed away somewhere. If I find something useful, I'll post it.

Carol

Thank you for your precious advices. Someone told me yesterday Moonlight had red stalks and mine has green ones... So exit Moonlight for me. Do you confirm?

Valerianet

I believe that is true--reddish stems and foliage, but the color may be more evident in certain climates or in certain weather. Help Me Find site also refers to the reddish stems and foliage at the bottom of the page (The Rose Annual).

I see some reddish stem and foliage action happening in your second picture. Is it my imagination?

Carol

What about Callisto? Does anyone have experience with it? I've only seen it on the internet and in books.

Carol

yeah, the red growth on new leaves is very evident in Moonlight so I would have to agree that it is an unlikely contender.
Callisto, hmmm. Now this was growing at my college (there was a whole area of HMs) and I recall that it was quite a rich yellow which was emphasised by the boss of numerous amber stamens in the centre. It did fade....but definitely remained pale yellow rather than white. I would say it had slightly frillier petals than yours, Valerie, but it was quite sprawly and lax. I wouldn't discount it right off but.............I am not getting that lightbulb moment.

Rosefolly once bought Moonlight because she had seen it in someone's garden and loved the red stems. In her garden the red stems never appeared(climate).

have a look please at this post (in french, but with photos, at first mines, then moonlight with red stems, but if you say they can be green when the climate is different, it is hard to differency Moonlight or Trier. My french correspondant seems to beleive that mine would be Trier...
http://planete-des-rosiers.forumactif.org/t2055-rosier-n5-blanctrier-ou-moonlight

Trier seems like the most likely candidate after all.

When all else fails, Valerie, anything can be what you say it is. So, if you call it Trier (or Moonlight, or Pale Paradox or whatever), then, to all intents and purposes (yours) that is what it is.

thanks a lot for your help, I think I will adopt Trier!

Trier it is, and it's a stunningly beautiful Trier!

Carol