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Karl- could you answer a question...?

17 years ago

i have an own root Rosemary Harkness that i planted in the ground this march. i bought it from a very respected rosarian and friend of mine. it looked very promising and was full of buds early on. it started to grow alright the first month, but has stalled in its growth and looks like it is not well.

last spring i tried an own root neptune in that same spot- perfect specimen, exact similar result eventually dying.

There was a small japanese maple tree growing in that spot for three years prior to me trying to put a rose there. When i removed it, i replaced all of the soil and dug a very large hole just like i have many times before with my other roses.

would you recommend me digging it out and letting it grow in a container for awhile?

also, would an established rose grow in that hole? there are perfectly vigorous roses growing on either side of that hole within a few feet.

ty

Comments (5)

  • 17 years ago

    okay this thread seems to have slipped through the rosenut's hands... any other master rosarians out there that could answer this?

  • 17 years ago

    Sorry Joebar,
    I had to go out of town Tuesday afternoon and didn't return until this afternoon.
    Re: your rose. I'd not replace the soil in an area where I removed another rose or plant. I'd amend the soil that's there with lots of horse manure or other organics and plant the new bush giving it at least a year to get established before getting excited about any growth or lack of growth. Neptune has not done well for me and I've tried three of them.
    Was your Rosemary Harkness an own root plant?
    Your area had a rough winter didn't it?
    Keep in mind any buds you had were the result of stored nutrients and moisture, not from this year unless it was grown in a greenhouse all winter. Often we expect too much from a first year rosebush forgetting it has to establish a root system. This is especially true if the root ball was disturbed when it was planted. In that case it has to start growing feeder roots all over again. The bush will sulk and sleep before it perks up. Keep it well watered. Use fish meal or fish emulsion to give it a boost and lay off any chemical fertilizers for now.
    Mom Nature does things in her own good time and seldom follows our time schedule.

  • 17 years ago

    yes this rose was own root and when i planted it, all of the soil around the root ball fell away. so i should just leave it for the year then?
    this rose was a two year old plant field grown and then potted up for the 2009 season.
    i received a replacement Neptune from this place at the same time i planted the new RH- but this time i planted the neptune in a container versus the hole that the RH is now in. it is dynamite and very happy in the pot.
    yes
    we had a rough long winter here, but whatever growth we were behind in is long gone due to an intense heat wave sweeping through here; i am sure we are going to see lizards and rattlesnakes pretty soon cause its like arizona right now!
    i totally understand that the little bit of growth i saw early on after planting could have been due to stored nutrients. that sounds very accurate to the situation.

  • 17 years ago

    A Neptune grew well for me in a pot also. As soon as I transplanted it, it began to lose vigor and failed to survive the following winter.

  • 17 years ago

    Joebar, my Rosemary Harkness is ownroot, planted a year ago last April. I was comparing RH to other ownroot roses planted at the same time and RH seems slow to establish and grow; she's definitely still slender and only a couple of canes and few blooms. This may be a rose that just takes awhile to get going.
    -terry