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planting rhodies along with trees

Anyone planted rhododendrons at the same time as nearby trees intended either for overstory protection or contrasting ornamentals, like Japanese Maples? Curious as to your experiences with root competition. Though rhodies are considered shallow rooted, and by extension perhaps, weak rooted, I've noticed this not to always be the case. The Paghat Garden website mentioned a 'Jean Marie' with roots 3 feet deep though that was probably on a loose PNW volcanic soil. I planted an 'Autumn Gold' about 6 ft. from a 45' hemlock, 5 years ago. The roots in that area would have been killed by rototilling, but I'm sure the hemlock grew back into the area very quickly. But the rhododendron has grown fine and never seen to be more drought stressed than plants 12' or 18' from the tree. Or any other rhodie I have for that matter.
For example, I have an Ulmus 'Allee' that is growing like gangbusters. Must be getting close to about 18', after being planted at 8'-9'. I specifically choose it because it's fast, ornamental, not likely to break limbs (supposedly), and disease-resistant. How close would be too close for moving a 'Babylon' near it? 6 feet? That's the rule I'm sticking with...that about 6' should be alright for most combinations. For example I have an azalea that's 3' from an Abies firma that was planted later, so I'm going to have to move that. But an R. 'Gable's Hardy Decorum' that's 6' away will stay.
OTOH, I doubt anything would grow very well planted under the 100' A. firma at Longwood, but I think if they develop together the rhodie will manage to work around the tree's roots. There will presumably be a moisture gradient away from the tree and anything planted near it will preferentially grow roots away from it.
Thoughts? And preferably - experiences!

Comments (5)

  • 13 years ago

    I would be more than a little skeptical - as in I wouldn't believe it for a minute - about rhododendron roots 3 feet down no matter what kind of soil its growing in.

    As to the main question, my experience in growing rhododendrons among tree roots - some of them from Norway maples, even - is that rhododendrons will grow fine if perhaps a little more slowly as long as they receive enough water. You have to remember that not only will the trees compete for water at the root level, but also their canopies will shed rain just like an umbrella.

    Planting trees and rhododendrons at the same time should work even better as the tree roots and those of the rhododendron will start out on an equal footing and will adjust to coexistence. Shallow fibrous trees like Japaese maples will be especially compatible. In George Schenk's book, The Complete Shade Gardener, theres an entire very valuable chapter about the best and worst trees for shade gardening.

    As for planting under established trees, 6 feet is more than you need, imho. Forget about digging. Use logs, stone, etc. to create a raised bed on a portion the soil surface. (If you're using loose, organic rhododendron-friendly soil, it's not going to harm the tree in the slightest.) The rhododendron root mass will, as long as it doesn't suffer drought, compete successfully with the tree.

  • 13 years ago

    Thanks mainegrower. I'll be on the lookout for a copy of that book...I'm near a couple great horticultural libraries.

  • 13 years ago

    If you are growing a rhody near a tree, you can root prune the tree by sticking a shovel in around the drip line of the rhody. This cuts roots of the tree that my be a problem and make the rhody form a denser root structure inside the drip line.

    Some trees that are more compatible with rhodies are:

    Ginkgo biloba, Maindenhair Tree
    Metasequoia glyptostroboides, Dawn Redwood
    Nyssa sylvatica, Sour Gum
    Quercus rubra, Red Oak

    Here is a link that might be useful: Companion trees for rhododendrons and azaleas

  • 13 years ago

    Cutting roots has exactly the same effect as pruning branches: it stimulates rapid regrowth in an even denser manner than existed before. Far better, in my view, to plant in a raised area and avoid the stimulative effect of root cutting.

  • 13 years ago

    My experience with root pruning is where I am growing rhododendrons near walnut trees. I find root pruning very effective. I can keep the walnut roots out of the area and the rhododendron roots within the area. I use a spade and a mattock and cut everything down as far as they will reach.

    You are right, root pruning stimulates root growth, but mostly in the area where the remaining roots are growing and fine roots remain, not in the area that was isolated by the root pruning. Of course, this is not a one time thing, but neither is a raised bed. Roots will come into any area within the drip zone and beyond. Root pruning plus installation of a root barrier will keep the roots out much longer. But those that do come in will be tunneling under the barrier and will be harder to prune unless you prune at a different point away from the barrier.

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