Software
Houzz Logo Print
aimeekitty

Is Maman Cochet Cl Really THAT lovely?

15 years ago

Hey folks,

I know everyone's taste is different,... but perhaps you can help me think this through?

I bought a maman cochet cl 1 gallon from ARE and planted it in a 3 gallon pot around may 2010. She quickly grew a couple large canes, but since then has not bloomed or grown.

I'm guessing that she wants to be put in the ground or at least a larger pot...?

I know a lot of people love Maman Cochet Cl, but I'm on the fence about her... I'm not sure whether I should really give her one of the last remaining spots in my yard or not. Though I suppose I could always dig her up later once I fully give her a chance?

For comparison sake, I really LOVE La France Cl. which was planted 5/10 in the ground. She's gotten huge and I just LOVE her flowers.

How similar are the two to each other...? If I like La France Cl, am I likely to also like Maman Cochet Cl (even though, of course, their coloring and habit is slightly different...)

I've seen Maman Cochet Cl a few times at Descanso and I'm never really wowed by her, though I think her individual occasionally perfect blooms are very lovely.

The spot I'd be planting Maman in would be against a stone wall. She'd have a good amount of length to grow on conceivably.

Comments (15)

  • 15 years ago

    I don't think this is an issue that others can advise you on - it is a matter of taste. I have Niles Cochet, which is the same as Madame Cochet, except it is a sport with dark raspberry outer petals - gorgeous.

    All of the Cochets are much more double than La France (which I also have). My NC has a tendency to ball if it is foggy or wet in the Spring, but not in our hot dry summers. A three gallon pot definitely is not enough space for this rose. If it were mine, I would put it into the ground, as long as your spot gets plenty of sun and heat (which I assume it does). Then I would give it AT LEAST three years to grow and get established before I decided anything about it - many OGRs need that long just to assume their real personalities.

    Jackie

  • 15 years ago

    Thanks, Jackie, just the information that she's more double than La France is useful. I think I'll try putting her in the ground this fall when it cools off a bit and see what she does.

  • 15 years ago

    Aimee, like Jackie said, we can't choose for you. For me personally her flowers are the most perfect that I have. They're gorgeous and heavy and variable - or maybe she just goes through lots of stages as she's opening. I can find no fault with her in hot, humid Florida. She does not ball here. I have come to like her stiff canes. They're easier to control than floppier canes. She actually makes a tree canopy once fastened to something upright. She actually makes shade for me. (If I didn't have those abominable squirrels she'd have a lot more canes. They chew them off, leaving only stubs.) If you plan her spot well and have 20 to 25 running feet to spare, she can be an impressive addition to your garden.

    Mine grows in amended sand with thick compost on top, so it's not great at holding water, but I have found that teas here do need to have some moisture constantly in the ground. They can't go dry and be very happy. I don't know if that fits your situation, if you have a gravelly soil that leaks worse than mine. If you grow other teas well, then I'm sure that won't be a problem.

    The link below is her last flush. I did another post on her first two years that might be useful to you.
    http://sherryocala.blogspot.com/2011/07/maman-cochet-climbing-first-two-years.html

    Sherry

    Here is a link that might be useful: The Amazing Maman Cochet, Climbing

  • 15 years ago

    Thanks, Sherry! I know you love her!
    It's hard to judge a rose by seeing it only a couple times at a garden.

    The photo you have of Maman with a muddled center make her absolutely different from La France Cl (which is never muddled and closer to a HT bloom) I was under the impression based on photos of Maman, that it was more of a HT bloom, too, but it looks like it changes a lot.
    I love La France Cl, but I really love muddled/complex blooms, so that encourages me to give Maman more of a chance.

    I do have a spot that could let her be 25 feet. I'm taking out a wisteria. haha...

  • 15 years ago

    How cool, Aimee. She'll like being in the ground!

    Sherry

    Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...

  • 15 years ago

    I've only seen the bush Maman Cochet, and a small one at that, so I was never really enthused until I saw Sherry's gorgeous monster. How I wish now that I'd planted it instead of Reve d'Or, although it would have been a challenge to find 25 feet for it to fill. Those huge blooms stole my heart. Aimee, we'll be expecting pictures soon!

    Ingrid

  • 15 years ago

    I LOVE my Cl Maman Cochet She's been in the ground about 3 years now and is just beginning to really bloom. I have her on a pergola and she is steadily climbing across. Her blooms are to die for. One of the best OGR's for my climate (Arizona) I think.

    I highly recommend her. Would not do without her. I have White Maman Cochet coming in October from ARE.

  • 15 years ago

    Aimee, La France has the fragrance Maman doesn't. La France also has the propensity to rust in this climate Maman doesn't. If La France's flowers open, they will last longer than Maman's, but Maman's are more likely to open without problems. That is based upon growing both in the same climate you garden in. Does that help? Kim

  • 14 years ago

    I've never tried Maman Cochet because of hardiness issues. LA FRANCE (Hybrid Tea, Guillot, 1867), on the other hand, has so far been stellar in my garden. The Climbing sport (1893) is definitely the best version of this rose because the large blooms like to hang their heads downward, a trait I look for in a climber. The fragrance is simply out of this world. The plant is vigorous, has reliable repeat bloom (esp. for a climber), and the canes aren't too thorny (just enough to know it is a rose). Thorniness is issue for me because many climbers are related to New Dawn and have inherited her vicious shark teeth. CLIMBING LA FRANCE is borderline hardy in zone 6 but does just fine growing up the Eastern side of my house. About the only real fault is a propensity for black spot, which is controllable with moderate spraying.

    {{gwi:222721}}
    Image of La France by labrea at the La France - Climbing sport thread.

  • 14 years ago

    I have Maman Cochet Cl on a pergola in my front yard. This is her third year and she is really blooming. She is big though so give her enough room. She does well in my climate so must like dry climates. I would highly recommend her for dry climates.

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    I had climbing Maman Cochet grown in zone 9 at my previous home.

    She is huge and thorny. She needs space. In 3 years she gave such an abundance of ovely blooms.



  • 5 years ago

    Maman Cochet with Jesse Hildreth here.


  • 4 years ago

    I know this is an old post but how lovely Jacqueline. I’ve been looking at the Cochets wondering if they would do well for me in my hot humid 7a climate in Oklahoma with dampe clay soil.

  • 4 years ago

    I wish Sherryocala and Ingrid were still posting. I miss them.

0