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'Short Climbing Rose' Question

If I want a rose to grow intertwined with, and against a "short" fence - meaning about 5 feet tall, and about 10 feet across - do I chose a climbing rose, or another kind of rose? Will I be attaching canes to the fence pickets (which are wide apart, not close).

Most climbers I've become familiar with here lately seem to be the kind that grow way UP; not across.

Tell me what I need to know, please. Thank You.

Miss Mary

Comments (22)

  • 15 years ago

    Mary, first, do youself a favor and do NOT intertwine the rose with the fence. No matter how pretty it may be, eventually those canes will have to be cut out. It is a LOT easier to cut ties and remove ten feet of cane than it is to cut that same ten feet into ten or more short sections and unwind it from the fence.

    Second, "climbing" roses are all tall and want to go up until their length and weight cause them to fall over. If it helps, these are roses trained on a five foot block wall.

    Rosarium Uetersen

    http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.171775

    Dortmund

    http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=21.171776

    Annie Laurie McDowell

    http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.170089

    All of them wanted to go straight up, but had to be "encouraged" to grow horizontally so they would break into lateral growth, which is what gives them the profusion of bloom.

    Begin by training the climbing canes as they grow as horizontally as you can without breaking them. Keep training the lateral growths horizontally also. Otherwise, you have a tall column of wood with flowers at the top.

    You can also take some of the shorter, more lax English roses and train them likewise. Mary Rose wants to put out six foot canes here in my garden and would be beautiful trained as a climber on a short fence or wall. I think your choices will be far more pleasing if you investigate that route. A lax (floppy) bush rose could easily be trained to cover the height of fence you want without out growing it to the point of being too tall and top heavy. Consider things like Mary Rose, Winchester Cathedral and their like as they should build to the size and cover you're thinking of without over powering the fence. The walls in the photos above used to have Mme. Alfred Carriere until I had to yank her out because she was just too vigorous and demanded to be that large to flower. Currently, there is a Malvern Hills down the wall from Dortmund. It's going away, too, as it's HUGE and demands to be to deliver any bloom. Kim

  • 15 years ago

    My rambler fence may be a good example of what you are trying to do. I have roses planted against the fence (In my case they are once-blooming ramblers) and the canes are attached to the fence horizontally. One of the roses, Leontine Gervais, is 40' long ... but she's only 4 1/2 feet high because she's trained to the fence.

    Most climbing roses will do very nicely in your spot. All you have to decide is what type and color flower you'd like to see there, if you have a preference. In our area, I'm just south of you in Virginia, most climbers require fungicide to prevent blackspot. White Cap, a really great climber, does very well for me without spraying.

    Another possibility is for you to take a look at the Hybrid Musks. I have a number of these trained to my front fence, 4 1/2 feet high, and they do great. My favorite of these is Moonlight ... I think it's the most photogenic rose I grow. Daybreak would be a good one, too, if you like yellow.

    Connie

  • 15 years ago

    Mary, another idea you might consider would be some of the ground cover roses. Connie's suggestions are great, but larger plants. Lara Lewis (thank you, Lara) posted a great photo on HMF (link below) of Flower Carpet Supreme grown on a trellis up the house wall. It illustrates how nicely some of the varieties we wouldn't normally think of using other ways can work.

    If you want an "old fashioned" look, but with great repeat flowering, the Flower Carpet, Hybrid Musks, particularly Gardendirector Otto Linne, can be used without getting enormous on you. MANY types and varieties can be used for your purpose. Your selection will be determined by what appeals to you. Choosing a plant which doesn't normally get that large will reduce your routine maintenance and help prevent the thing from overgrowing the fence. Fun, huh? Kim

    Here is a link that might be useful: Lara Lewis' photo of Flower Carpet Supreme on HMF

  • 6 years ago
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    Hi! This was the first rose I have ever planted. Not sure how I'm.suppose to train it horizontally when there is not much room that way. I would like it to flower low and an across. Any advice I would appreciate. It's pearly gates rose

  • 6 years ago

    Jemma, I think you did a good job with the current setup. At the top section, you have room to train it horizontally now, so you can start do that. If you have room at the bottom, you can plant a short rose bush with similar color at each side so it creates an effect that you have blooms from top to bottom. If you don’t have room to plant the shorter roses in the ground, you can plant them in pots and place in front to cover the naked bottom section. Helen

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Helen, it doesn't get much sun on the bottom :(

    For a different spot can you recommend a cream, peach very small climbing rose?

  • 6 years ago

    Jemma, as I suggested in the comment all those years ago, you might take a look at some of the ground cover roses, such as Flower Carpet. They are really just repeat flowering, short climbers you whack to keep in bounds. If you trained a Flower Carpet against your trellises, it would flower all over and send out short laterals to produce more flowers.

  • 6 years ago

    I did not know ground cover roses existed. I'm really hoping to find a small climber that I can grow on half a carport. And I would like it to give me large flowers that I can cut and put in a vase.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Jenna, what Kim (roseseek) said. He is the rose expert :) In order to have a lot of flowers, climbers need to be trained horizontally. However, because of your unique set up, that’s not doable. Have you thought about just focus on making the current setup look beautiful, then find another sunny spot in your garden to plant a rose for cuttings? To find which rose you want to plant for cuttings, check out BenT 2020 garden threat:

    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5898843/my-2020-rose-garden#n=99

    Helen

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Helen, I wanted the cutting rose vine for my carport that is in another spot. Just saw the link =) Thank you

  • 6 years ago

    Jemma,

    I have a Pearly Gates ordered and I am so looking forward to growing this rose! Yours looks pretty. Maybe up on the top you can start training it to go across now and the laterals will provide more blooms over the top area. Not much you can do on the other part because it needs to grow straight up.

  • 6 years ago


    Last year it had buds on the bottom around this time but this year it went up :(

    Here is a pic. I put fake flowers in it so my husband would not lose faith since it did not bloom for almost 3 years.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago



    Makes a lovely cut flower too

  • 6 years ago

    Jemma, that is one of the funniest things I've ever seen or read here. Did your husband ever catch on?

  • 6 years ago

    Yes Vaporvac!

    I only put those flake flowers in for a weekend. For three years he had to look at just thorns and wood ;)

  • 6 years ago

    Helen, if you can recommend what I can put in the bottom that takes shade would be awesome!

  • 6 years ago

    Jemma I think I have the same one as yours! I got it at Home Depot last year.... I butchered the poor thing cause I didnt know what i was doing 😂😂 this year is very strong and full of buds (2y). I’m hoping the winds today didn’t destroy it! Yours looks really good!!


  • 4 years ago

    Try a clemat to add color and viber the mour bare bottom of the roses. They ”like their feet in the shade“ and they love climbing roses.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    I would just try to plant some lovely flowers to hide the base of the rose. Something that likes the shade. I would probably go the annual route with them and call it A day. There are alsoshort growing climbers out these days besides the ones mentioned. I can't remember if kiss me Kate is 1 of them. Also some of the hybrid mousks would be quite useful as mentioned above. I might try Felicia Which has astounding fragrance.Which has astounding fragrance.

  • 4 years ago

    Hello Miss Mary, I am so sorry about your deer woes. I used to have a lot of deer pressure when I lived in PA. Now I live in Maryland (AA Co) and deer are not an issue thanks to a neighbors fence! In PA though, I had a fence line of Bonicas and although they were not climbers, the lax habit worked really well along the fence. Also, Bonica and The Fairy had small enough buds that the deer rarely bothered to strip them all. they nibble some off on occassion, but I never lost them all.

  • 2 years ago

    Vaporvac - I planted two KMK on either side of our front porch due to the descrition of her as a short climber of 6-7 feet. This is their third summer and I have canes that are 12 feet long - and we still have 3 more months of growing season. I have been tying them down horizontially - but know that she is quite vigorous here in zone 7a....

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