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Sorry for yet another overwintering question...

18 years ago

Hello friends,

I am new to the forum, as I just started my first rose bush this past Spring. I have found all of your conversations to be very informative, and, while I have searched for an answer to my question in the archived posts, I have not been able to find the information that is specific to my situation. I hope that you will forgive my newbie question, and hope that you will help.

My husband purchased a New Dawn for me for our anniversary in May. I had planned to train it around a tree in our tiny backyard, but we have had several problems with our waterline that precluded planting at all- things have been dug up in the area all summer. We live in a city neigborhood, so the houses are quite close together, and I only have one other spot that gets enough sun- in a side yard that is only 20 feet wide. It faces South (toward the neighbor's house), but the "head" (and our house) face westward toward an alley/side street.

Thinking that I would be able to plant the rose later in the summer, I planted the rose in a large painted terra cotta pot, and trained the canes up a large plastic arbor. They did really well in the pot, and the canes have really taken to the arbor- they are almost hanging on the other side already. Since we didn't have the money to complete the work on the backyard, I won't be able to plant it there at all until next summer at earliest. The problem with the pot is that the side yard is built over a flagstone patio (there is only about 8 inches of dirt), and there is no way that I can dig out a spot to plant it in the side yard. I am going to have to leave it in the pot for the winter, and I have no garage or basement.

So, in my research, I have found a bunch of ideas that I could use, and I have no idea which is the best idea.

Should I:

Dig it out and plant it somewhere else in the garden that does not get enough sun and transplant it in the Spring.

Take it out of the pot, lay it down in the alley on the other side of the house (about 4 feet wide but sheltered) and cover with straw or mulch.

Purchase a larger plastic or wood container and transplant now, burying the union bud deeply and using burlap or tomato cages/straw to wrap the canes.

Bury the pot in a storage container that is filled with soil and add a wick to ensure that the water does not pool at the bottom.

Build a temporary (or not so temporary) "raised" bed out of concrete blocks and bricks (I have some left over) and planting it in the ground now.

Wrap the pot with bubble wrap and burlap (leaving the drainages holes open) and hope for the best?

Also, what about the fact that it is entrenched in the arbor? Should I unwrap it, or, if I leave it in situ, wrap the whole thing in burlap?

New Dawn is supposed to be winter hardy to zone 4, so it should be ok outside (I am in Zone 6), but the container issue stymied me. Perhaps I am overthinking it, but it has a lot of sentimental value, and I have so little money left for gardening that I would hate to have to replace it.

Thanks very much for any advice that you can offer.

Comments (5)

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hi, If it were mine and if it were at all possible I would prepare the site that it will end up at permanently and plant it there, then finish the work around it next summer. I think the sooner a plant ends up in its permanent home the better off it will be and you'll be able to enjoy it more.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Like generator said. Otherwise you have to bury the pot somewhere. Hardy to zone 4 or not, it will not survive outside in a pot because the soil in the pot will freeze. Bubble wrap won't help. The rose will likely do better planted in the ground vs. planted in the pot. Untangle it from the arbor and find a place for it, the sooner the better.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I agree because with Ggenerator and Vveilchen.
    New Dawn blooms on old wood.
    The longer you wait the more canes you will have to cut to get it untangled.
    Also it will really take off in the spring if you do it now.
    Fall is perfect for transplanting.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    First, there is no way the pot will survive outside with the rose in it. The pot will have to be emptied and turned upside down, or brought inside.

    Second, you train New Dawn in much the way you train cats. The two of you come to a more or less mutually acceptable pattern of behavior. Maybe. Training it up a tree sounds like something that is going to work about as well as keeping my cats out of the goat cheese. It's just not in the nature of the beast. You need somewhere it can spread out. It does best on walls or very large trellises.

    It might survive the winter in a pot somewhere like a window well or behind a pile of straw bales. It sounds like you are in an urban heat island, so it may be generally warmer than you think. IME, the canes start having trouble around -15, so it isn't a zone 4 climber. However, it is crown hardy much colder than that.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thanks for all of the advice, everyone! We have to take the tree out (hence the expense) at some point, so I can't really plant in the yard, but I am hoping that I can find some place in the side yard to replant it, at least until I can get it into the backyard. I had a feeling the pot was a bad idea, but I loved it where I had it. Sigh.

    Mad_gallica- I think that I know what you mean about the cats (we have three)- but I will look forward to figuring out how to best handle the "training". ;-)

    I have always been so intimidated by roses, but they are one of my favorite flowers. I hope that when I am more experienced I can try more of them. I have really enjoyed reading up about the various types- you all are a great source of knowledge, and I hope to be back soon.

    Thanks again,

    Jenny