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How mini are your miniatures?

20 years ago

I recently got some amaryllis bulbs that are supposed to be miniatures or "small flowered" and are now in bloom. Pamela's blooms are 3 1/2 in wide, Baby Star's bloom is 3 inches, Pink Star will be opening in a few days. Green Goddess'(acquired last year) flower, if I remember right, was like 4-5 in. I read in another post by Hans in the Bulb gallery about his Baby Star's flowers being a lot bigger than mine.

Are your miniatures's flowers as small as mine? Or could it be the warm weather that is causing these flowers to be so small?

I am currently getting very curious about these "cute ones". I'm thinking about pollinating Baby Star and Pink Star with Green Goddess pollen that I have saved (hope it's still viable).

I would love to hear about your miniatures...Thanks!

Comments (23)

  • 20 years ago

    Do not use plants of the inferior green/yellow series for breeding purposes. I had some discouraging results with "Yellow goddess" and "Yellow Pioneer" and the few examples I saw in Veronica's book and on the web were not convincing either.
    The flower substance of these Pioneers and goddesses is so weak, and the segments are so irregularly shaped and curved - so, IF I had bred these I would never have had the idea to commercialize these.

    The one and only recommendable cultivar with yellowish blooms I know so far is Lemon Lime - try to obtain this one and you will immediately see the difference and understand what I am telling you here. You certainly remember these mini amaryllis from the H.papilio x Lemon Lime breeding experiment; THAT was convincing.
    H.papilio x Lemon Lime in TAIWANhref>

    Baby Star is a miniature - even if the blooms under my husbandry where - somewhat - bigger. I would simply SELF it in order to obtain miniature progeny with some variation

    Pamela is denoted as a member of the "gracilis" section.
    I cannot give a positive vote for this cultivar: These blooms are small but without any charm. The bulb is apt to produce 3 scapes simultaneously but it is far too big in relation to the bloom size, and the leaf bush becomes far too big, too; no one would guess that these are leaves from a "miniature"
    I have no experience with "Pink Star" but this seems to be a nice cultivar.
    I would have appreciated to see some photos of this hybrid here - do you have some?!
    I have many amaryllis photos from this season outdoors as well as indoors in my actual stock, but my motivation has faded due to the deplorably LOW contribution here.

    I have for example this previously discussed "President Johnson" in bloom now; 5 scapes from one mother bulb and an offset, a lovely cultivar with bright, upright showing blooms with extremely ruffled edges. This mini is available as bulb; I warmly recommend it.

    However I like to introduce one mini of my own production line here, a totally spotted hybrid with red edges; "David"
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  • 20 years ago

    Hello Hans. Thanks for the advice about Green Goddess. I just wanted to cross a white mini with Red Star and Pink Star and that's my only white mini so far. You saved me 2 years of hard work...lol.
    Yes I do remember that cross of Papilio and Lemon Lime. Lemon Lime is #1 in my order list for this fall.
    Pink Star should be opening her blooms in a few days. I will definitely post a picture of it. The weather here has currently gone up to higher 80s to lower 90s. My recently purchased Amaryllis bulbs are fastly putting out scapes but once blooms open, they easily fade too. I brought them inside the house with average temp of 70-75 to avoid this and enjoy their blooms longer.
    You are right about the forum slowing down a lot...one or two postings/day. I do check in here daily. Please do not be discouraged Hans. Spring and Summer brings in a lot of yard work and other blooming plants outside that needs to be taken care of too. I'm going to bet you once Fall comes in...Amaryllis will RULE again.
    David is so pretty. My kind of flower...simple with good substance. Again...GOOD JOB HANS!!!

  • 20 years ago

    Hi Hans

    That mini is so beautiful. Great bloom. Hans by any chance do you sell hippeastrum bulbs? You have some of the most stunning varieties I've seen. I've crossed some lemon lime this season and the seeds are planted. How long does it take to germinate? Is it 30-40 days?

  • 20 years ago

    Hans,

    This forum gets the seasonal blues. Don't worry, when everyone is back from vacation and Home Depot, Walmart, etc. have those big holiday amaryllis displays, people will be back! I guarantee it. I am also writing this from my own vacation using someone's wireless connection :)

    Plant_Guy

    Here is a link that might be useful: My Amaryllis Page

  • 20 years ago

    Fine miniatures of 10-14 cm bloom diameters can be generated by crossing H.papilio with H."Pink Floyd".
    The individuals vary considerably in color - simply an interesting spectacle.
    This is performance of 2 y seedlings, grown exactly according to my previous recommendations, indoors, with light applied from a metal halide lamp (200W/m2)

    {{gwi:394887}}

  • 20 years ago

    Wow Hans. Now that is a fantastic show! I can only dream on growing my Amaryllises just like you do.

  • 20 years ago

    MariaI will consider that project Hans...really. I wonder how much my electricity bill would go up during those winter days...

  • 20 years ago

    This is easily to be calculated
    The monthly charges is

    totally installed electric power (= 0.460 kW)
    x operating time in hours per day (= 16 h/d)
    x count of days per month ( = 365/12 d/month)
    x energy related electric power costs ( = 0.15 $/kWh or something in this magnitude I presume)

    That makes
    33.57 $/month
    That is not nothing but it is negligible besides the many unrelevant things we buy every day *lol*

  • 20 years ago

    True...very true Hans...lol! I pay more than $50 a month just to get satellite TV so my daughter can watch her favorite cartoons and husband his ball games. I think I do deserve to get a lighted table to watch my amaryllises too!
    By the way, talking about miniatures. I didn't know Japan breeds amaryllises till I read it in Veronica Read's book. I was quite impressed with their super-minis planted in a cup and saucer. That is so cool! Anybody have any info on where we can get some of these Japanese amaryllises?

  • 20 years ago

    Indeed it is...that last picture. Pink Floyd is in my wish list too.

  • 20 years ago

    I regret that "in a certain manner" I can not recommend Pink Floyd. It exhibits but deplorable, poor growing ability. So be aware that PERHAPS you can not install this cultivar prolongedly from one consignment of bulbs...

    Astonishingly, nothing of that is revealed in the progeny after crossing with H.papilio (in either direction). These are fine growers which came to light this season. A rate of 75% of blooming individuals after 2 y from seed to bloom is convincing,

    I shall definitly try to rebuild (recombine) a pronouncedly tube shaped pink from my Ruby PommFish kindergarden displayed above. I LIKE trumpets!

  • 20 years ago

    Hi Maria,
    I find the little flowers fascinating too. I wonder if it's just a matter of immature bulbs and the flower size will increase with your good care?
    I don't have any of the minis at blooming size yet but I did receive San Antonio Rose,H.reticulatum striatifolium and 2 Gracilis X this week. The SanAntonio Rose is a little cluster of 3 not-quite golfball size bulbs, the H.rs is not much larger than a pea, H.gracilis X Candy Floss looks like a large flowered hybrid bulb and H.gracilis X H.vittaum is a tiny 2 leaf seedling. I think I have a bit of a wait till I see blooms,lol.
    Of the smaller bulbs I purchased this past winter, Misty and LaPaz have put on significant bulb size, Emerald lost all but 2 leaves to hail but is still bulking up well,Ruby Meyer had been struggling but is now pushing a decent fan of leaves,Pink Floyd is finally showing signs of happiness and Amputo, purchased in March, not only rooted in and produced an offset but did so while flowering and setting 2 good seed pods :)
    Hi Hans-Werner,
    Your seedlings are magnificent !! Really, you should open your own business and provide the world with these exquisite beauties! I now have great hope for the 14 Pink Floyd X Emerald seedlings,that they might have some of the papilio markings on a pink backround :)
    As for Pink Floyd, I am quite curious. Mine was most deliciously fragrant,a combination of oriental lily and orange blossom, detectable from 15 feet away. It is indeed fussy,only putting up 3 little leaf tips untill now. What seems to have made it happy is 16 days straight of rain and 90 degree temperatures. If it is indeed a selection of H.doraniae then it may want more heat and a coresponding higher amount of water. I plan to move it to the stonework around my little pond to see if the stored and reflected heat with higher humidity is what it really wants. Lora

  • 20 years ago

    Komoriya is the best known Japanese breeder.Among many his
    big doubles:Aprodite, Allure, Sweet Surrender are gorgeous.
    Bill

  • 18 years ago

    I recently bought a lovely salmon pink and white Amayrllis with two spikes of four flowers each that looks to possibly be a "gracilis" cultivar or hybrid. Have any of you seen any of these beauties in your Home Depot? I planted it deep in front of my zone 7b home where I hope it will be as successful as Scarlet Baby has been in my garden.

  • 18 years ago

    Hans, YOUr examples of your work are beautiful, beautiful! YOU inspire me to keep working and trying new crosses. It is hard to know that it will take so long to get flowers but if we do not start then we never get to see what might happen!

  • 18 years ago

    I, too, am glad this post was bumped to the top... Sir Hans, as always, your flowers are breathtaking! I'm currently saving to buy quality grow lights so I may experience your level of indoor culture in my own home!

    The information contained within this thread is certainly worthy of saving... I learn so much from the pros here!

  • 18 years ago

    Howdy ya'll. 'been outta touch for a few days. I found this subject interesting. It's my understanding, Sir Hans et all, that the guy that developed "Yellow Pioneer" never made any money off it, and it was never patented. Many people have tried, unsuccessfully, to develope a darker yellow. Yellow Pioneer was one of those.

    Below is my smallest Hippeastrum bloom.

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  • 18 years ago

    What a gorgeous flower there, houstaonpat.I love the colors :)

  • 18 years ago

    There is so much to learn and so little time.
    Hans do show us more of your creations

  • 18 years ago

    Has anyone been able to purchase bulbs from Komoriya? I sent them an e-mail and received no response.

  • 18 years ago

    ARIF...I look at it this way: You'll learn in time. The more you give them time, the more you learn. Experience is your best teacher. :-)

    Pat...Nope! I did the same last year as you did. Same thing happened...No response. I'll just make my own "super-mini" and I am currently working on it. I have a very good batch of Supreme Garden X Santa Fe seedlings growing now. They have the tiniest leaves of all my seedlings (miniature crosses). I hope this cross will produce a 'klister of trumpets'.


  • 18 years ago

    Hans, a little bit a late reaction but your minis are really beautiful !!! thanks for sharing them !

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