And although I was hoping the petals would be a pure white, mine have opened with a soft blush which is nice too. I am very happy the red picotee edges are very thin, as I had seen some pictures online which showed a wider, less defined line. Here is the other flower currently open (this one actually opened first).

And here's the full length picture of my Picotee with a second scape and it's little baby too. So cute. My Red Lion is the other pot in the picture. When I cut off the dead leaves during it's rest I noticed it had scape tips just visible so it has joined the Picotee in the warmth of the kitchen and had some water now too. Maybe around Christmas or New Years I'll see some Red Lion blooms. :)

Have a wonderful day!

This post was edited by brooklynbonnie on Thu, Nov 27, 14 at 12:08

I think as it is not Picotee, but President Johnson.

This post was edited by oleg9grower on Thu, Nov 27, 14 at 16:33

Thanks Oleg. But meh, I think it's Picotee just from research. I know they get confused a lot but from what I've seen PJ tends to have wider/less refined picotee lines (or none at all from image searches?). But either way, this one is the one I like so I'm thankful I managed to get one. :)

I have to agree with Oleg (and if you read back, you'll see he is one of the experts on this forum re:IDs). H. President Johnson has a prominent picotee, whereas H. Picotee itself is a smaller bloom with a finer picotee edge.

These two are likely mislabeled in several photos on-line. I own several bulbs of both.

I've attached a link to Donna's H. President Johnson post. You decide.
Kristi

Here is a link that might be useful: President Johnson

Well, of course, the variety chic! In my view, President Johnson is much better than Picotee.
To compare the two photos show.
Picotee:
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President Johnson:
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Note the presence \ absence painted red eye!

Thanks for pointing out my mistakes. It's pretty to me, regardless of name. I just wanted to share the pictures in case others would appreciate - I know I love drooling over others blooms on this forum! :)

Bonnie thank you for sharing these photos of your lovely Picotee. Just like you mentioned pictures are warmly appreciated by everyone, myself included!
Your photos made me wonder why I don't have this beauty in my (small) collection of hippies. She is a classic and in my opinion you have a splendid specimen of this cultivar. Congratulations!!

Emaryllis.com is a valuable source of help in identifying hippies. Mr. Emaryllis has a different opinion touching President Johnson...

Those of use with large collections are pretty particular about names as we want to be sure of what we are using in our breeding program.

I did a quick check in the Veronica Read book and she notes that there are several white with red picotee edges. Those carrying "Picotee" in their name tend to be 6.5" or smaller. I do know that my H. Picotee is definitely smaller than my H. President Johnson, which was about 8" across.

Here is the H. Picotee that I got back in 2007:
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Here is another H. Picotee Petticoat that I have had for years:
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My H. President Johnson blooms vary a bit by year. There had been years where the red picotee was much less prominent; color was more apparent following very cold winters.

Remember, there is some variation between blooms, between growers, depending on care, light, temperature, etc.

I'd say, call it whatever you are comfortable with. We seem to go through a lot to determine the proper ID of our bulbs for the above mentioned reasons. It's likely the most frequent topic of dispute on this forum (which are few). There are those that are great at ID'ing blooms...and Oleg is typically correct as are Donna, Blanca, Maria, and others. Photos from Bill's site are a good resource, but again, there have been mix-ups there as well. After a first season, where the bulb has been perfectly conditioned to give you its best bloom, you may see differences in the amount of red you see.

Enjoy your blooms.

Kristi - very wise and experienced. It is true that on emaryllis.ÃÂom is often confusion in Variety.
Now I have a President Johnson was first with significant deep-pink blush on the petals.
Changed beyond recognition, is not it?
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? Oleg.... Barely recognizable as President Johnson. Were prior blooms this "spotty"?

I will say that "Emaryllis Bill" is more accurate than not...and he provides a great reference. There are just great variations in the picoteed blooms.
K

Thank you all! The blooms on my flowers are on the small side. The most mature bloom is 5in from petal tip to petal tip. Or just 4.5in if I measure straight across R-L. (about 12.5cm tip to tip, and 11cm straight across). The scape is about 11in tall.

I love love love white flowers, but I wanted this one so bad because of the delicate picotee contrast - it just seemed more interesting than the plain whites. I love it, especially the red eye. On Emaryllis.com Picotee most closely matches mine with PJ looking different but as everyone says, lots of disagreement on the picotee bulbs. :) Google searches just reinforce my uncertainty with pics of both cross-labled, haha!

Oleg, do you think there was temperature or light changes which caused the more intense blush on your President Johnson in the recent picture?

I am curious if I could do anything to remove the blush but keep the picotee. Probably not. :P

Warmer winters will result in less color...at least that's been my experience.
K

"? Oleg.... Barely recognizable as President Johnson. Were prior blooms this "spotty"?"
Yes! it is.
He was such a first photo brooklynbonnie it is also possible to see a very pale flecks and small.
"Emaryllis Bill" is more accurate than not ... " Without a doubt, but there are incidents ...
"I am curious if I could do anything to remove the blush but keep the picotee. Probably not."
Only more light to flower - and blush disappears. :)

Light and warmth play a role for sure!! A few years back several of us had very cold winters. Bulbs grown in the same light conditions year after year but only temperatures varied, with colder winter resulting in much more vivid color. Also under warm conditions blooms fade much faster.
K

Hmm. More light but less warmth. I might not have the right conditions since my windows have radiators under them. :-/

Oh well. I really love how this one looks anyway and am falling more in love day by day. Today all four flowers are now open and the 2nd scape shot up overnight to rise almost above them (can just see the tip from the left scape).

And just felt like looking at it from a different angle for fun :)

I was thinking of trying to self this and see if I could grow some babies for family. I know red is a stronger color but I wondered if it made a difference who the pollen parent was when crossing a red like Red Lion with PJ or Pictoee? Would I ever get veining instead of a blush/speckling? Hmm.

This post was edited by brooklynbonnie on Sat, Nov 29, 14 at 12:55

At least one of the many gifted breeders on this forum, Haweha, has had spectacular success with Picotee. I can't remember the other parent but if you search the forum you should be able to find the thread in question. Google finds it too but I just can't remember the term I used...

Oooh, thank you for the tip Lenanen!

Kristi,
what enhances the cool color of flowers - so I do not deny. But my previous photo was taken in June.
So blossomed in the room, and when I brought in a greenhouse - then blush disappeared.

Oleg, it was just an observation several of us had made a few years back after a particularly cold winter. There could be other factors at play too. Sorry I don't know the science behind it, although June in California or the Ukraine would likely be cooler than June in Texas!
K

Kristi,
I have no doubt about the observations in your terms. I was just watching at and thinking about the causes of this phenomenon. While he blossomed in the room - he attended blush. Of course, the temperature in the room, not such as in Texas in June but of course the temperature in the greenhouse is higher than in the room.
Of saving money, we do not heat the room in June, at which time the biggest duration of the day (49 degrees north latitude). Nevertheless, the second scape blossomed with flowers without a blush of speckles ÃÂompletely.
Therefore, I concluded that the value of the amount of light, or am I wrong?

The second scape flew past the first, which was only 11 inches or so. The second went up to 16 inches (I was measuring from the neck of the bulb to the bottom of the bud).

And it had a surprise for me; 6 flowers! This is my first scape with more than 4 flowers. I was very happy. This Picotee/President Johnson bulb has been full of surprises for me. It looks like a bouquet. The last bud to open was a little deviant; it wanted to face the opposite way from where it would naturally fit, and it had oddly misshapen petals.

Here is a view from above; you can see how the last flower to open is looking the wrong way.

I am happy to say it appears my selfing of the first scape around Thanksgiving has taken and will stay (hopefully). I just want to grow little ones to see if I can and this is a nice one to try on. Curious what if any variation will come from the offspring.

Can't wait for the large bold red blooms on the Red Lion. But no real movement on those. Although a leaf is growing, the scapes appear to have stalled. I fear the cinnamon sprinkled on top of the bulb after the cut created a kind of dried cement that is preventing healthy growth of the scapes who can't push through the now tightly sealed layers...