Suzanne,
I have only the best wishes for your Brugs.
You are just beginning a great hobby!! Have fun with them and enjoy their growth!!This is an addiction, a good one!
Bonnie

Bonnie, I have many addictions and 2 acres full of them:) but this one has got under my skin for sure.Really last year was my test run on learning these wonderful plants and their likes and dislikes.And I think that because of forums like this and all others,more of these nurserys are paying attention to how they treat the customers buying.Their fear is being listed on Garden Watch Dog...so the packing and shipping has improved. Years ago I did also have my share of injured or dead plants too. The advertizing helps a great deal here besides the competition.***Suzanne

suzannesks, this garden watch dog you speak of is this the one at Dave's garden or is there another one? I really don't take stock in these sites as there are some folks out there that would love for some of these nurseries to disappear and one should rely on ones own experiences with said companies. Just like the rating systems at Ebay, you take your own chances? Any thing can happen once it's has left a business hands?

Karma...this is why I thank some of the people here on the forum that have recommended some of the nursreys that sell brugs.Also there are sellers that do tune into this forum and this is another reason that keeps them on their TOES!LOL! I myself don't do E-Bay.I have seen some of the product that has come from some of the sellers there,and it's my choice to deal or not to deal with it.But I do rely on the good folks here on this forum. Everyone wants to recieve healthy plants and get what you pay for.***Suzanne

I don't think Watch dogs represent the majority of buyers in this world. It has its share of internet groups that hang out on the forums of every kind and they have friends and they have enemys. Some times they can act like the devil looking for people to destroy.I have bought brugmansias-roses-hostas-hydrangeas and daylilys from bad rated watch dog companies before and was real happy.Don't need a watch dog to lead me along like some kind of police.

Again, thank you for sharing your honest opinnion of some of the more reliable nurserys that sell Brugsmansia's.It makes it easier for us that are new to the brug world to have a forum such as this that helps people like me along the way.I did have a bad experience at one time and I should have listened to some of the opinnions people were posting on a not-so-reliable nursery! This is why,I chose to come into this forum and rely on the truth of the good folks here.I don't need a watch dog either...but should have listened at one time and I did not,like many other folks that got took to never will recover there loses!I don't look for Devils under every rock but it's nice to have a "Heads-Up" and take heed.So thanks to some of you that want to guide us new bee's into this magical world of these amazing and beautiful plants.***Suzanne

Actually,the Garden Watchdog is one of the best resources on the internet for finding good nurseries.In my opinion it's second only to the personal references from members here.When you find some company complaining of "conspiracies"to damage their reputations it's really because the company involved treated their customers shabbily.If such so called conspiracies were true the people involved would be legally at risk of a serious lawsuit.I expect Dave would also take some action.He generally runs a tight ship.I use it often and while it may have some faults it's still an excellent resource.

Gone2seed...I'm glad that there are a few of us that at times use the resources available. I at one other time being new to this forum asked questions on the care of Brugs and only a few came forward to help. Then there were a few that just wanted to make snid comments.It sure is nice to hear something positive and encouraging. After all I thought that this is what a forum is for???To help and encourage.***Suzanne

gone2seed, I think your comment about Dave running a tight ship states it all. As an X member from there it appears things haven't changed and it's spreading.

KHT,I have no idea what you mean by your post.It seems to have some underlying personal thing.I remember when you left DG and if memory serves,you were having a personal dispute with another member.You and I have known each other for years and traded often and well.If you have something to say to me just spit it out.I don't do sublety well.
Running a tight ship simply means he doesn't let things get out of hand and stay that way.

Okay, I'm gonna say it---KHT seems to have a HUGE chip on her shoulder and is begging someone to knock it off. I'm willing and able to do so.

Karma, I don't have a clue as to what's put the burr under your saddle here, but I for one am getting pretty tired of your airing your way-too-(NOT!)subtle grievances here. Either say what you mean, or shut up. Nearly every time you post here, you either make a veiled insinuation about some nursery, some poster, or some other website. In the ones where you DON'T do this, you DON'T actually answer the question, but go off on some tangent that has nothing to do with the original post.

Get with the program, okay? We're all here to talk honestly and openly about brugs, and yes, that sometimes means we'll critize a given cultivar, even if it DOES mean we'll 'hurt' some hybridizer's 'feelings'. That's a part of being 'honest', okay? If you're too tender to take criticism, then LEAVE.

The Garden WatchDog is a pretty good resource, because ANYONE can post there. Any mail-order nursery will, just as a matter of course, have both happy and unhappy customers. There's no reason to expect unhappy customers to mount a vendetta---unless, of course, you yourself are one of the unhappy/jealous people doing this. I personally choose to take KHT's words with MANY grains of salt, because I've been reading her posts for about five years now, and I've seen a developing pattern of abuse of others.

I've also noticed that she replies without bothering to UNDERSTAND the original post---for instance, refer back to her reply to someone asking about using the 'baggie' method of germination. Her answer made it clear that she had NO idea what the 'baggie' method WAS---yet she gave her usual 'all-knowing' response.

I too have seen Karma's exit from many a website, including this one, a few years back. Talk about mounting your high horse!!!

Sorry, Karma---I'm WAAAY over you, and I think most of the folks here at GW are too!

First of all judithw, you just proved my point how some folks will go after another just because you speak out and you have a problem with what is stated. It's all about control and running folks off? I have no chip and it appears you do? Those that scream like you just did just make the point all the more. As for the bag method, yes I read but I guess you didn't get the point, that they need air and the less you handle the healthier your brug seedling will grow. You need a good foundation for a health plant. Just jumping on a new method of starting seeds or cuttings isn't for everyone?
gone2seed, I have great respect for you and I think you know that. As for me leaving Daves you only got one side of the story and I'll leave it at that. Again it's about control and is you can't be controlled you are usually banned or run off because you won't help them get the masses to their site. Let's there not be some honesty you are only welcome as long as you praise and go OOOOOOOOOOOOO. When you ask serious questions you are a disturbance and shown the door. I have watched groups fall when they do not respect their members and honestly they would be nothing without their members. One also knows when one is being used and when folks do disappear it really makes the tongues wag.
Watch Dog Groups are set up and folks feel this is a way to either vent due to something going bad or to praise a friend. Personally I find them unprofessional and have been told by some folks not to trade with someone since they got burnt. I do not judge a book by the cover and will trade, I will tell you that some of these folks were the best trades I have gotten. I keep my own personal list of whom I will and won't trade with, I give a person 3 chances before they are put on my list of sorry but that's not going to happen. As for the reason I left here, guess Spike didn't like my suggestion and that is why he banned me but again it wasn't worth the hassels I got later when they found out I went to Daves either?

Karma..I have been trying for a whole year to get valueable information from this forum on the care,love and appreciation of these plants.And have quit posting many a time because of you.Seems to me that your always vieing for the VIP position,you need to GET OVER YOURSELF.I could also PUFF myself up and tell everyone that I am also a tester for my best friend and next door neighbor Marianne Binetti...Horticulturist,Author,Lecturer,and Garden writer for the Post Intellengencer and 7 other papers.I've been around the block myself being a somewhat VIP.But..I came here because I have developed a love for these beautiful plants to learn about. And have only got snid remarks from ONLY you! Why is that? ***Suzanne

Excuse me Suannesks what did I say to you that you take is a snid remark? I was giving you my opinion on these watchdog groups and asked a question? But again what can I say? Great for you that you think you are a VIP, I sure don't but again I know some folks don't like me and it's clear what they are doing.

karma...many times in the past,you slide in and give a snid remark and don't address the question,and many a time I've left for months at a time because of your attitude.When you are posting you need to be giving help or just addressing a discussion in a friendly and positive manner.Get over yourself,and come back down to earth and offer help and advise because you have alott of knowlege to give here to many of us who are wanting to learn and discuss this marvelous plant.Peace be with you.***Suzanne

"As for the bag method, yes I read but I guess you didn't get the point, that they need air and the less you handle the healthier your brug seedling will grow."

Again, I repeat---you STILL don't understand what the 'baggie' method IS, if you think you can open the baggie and allow the newly-germinated seeds to grow on! They're lying on a coffee filter, for goodness' sake, and they'll dry out and die within a matter of HOURS. And if you should manage to keep them moist, then their tiny little roots will grow THROUGH the coffee filter and you'll never remove them without breaking them. When using the 'baggie' method, poptting them up ASAP is ESSENTIAL.

My point is that you should have either NOT replied, or admitted that you had no clue what the 'baggie method' was. There's no shame in admitting there's something out there you DON'T know all about.

No one, myself included, ever suggested that everyone should just jump on every new method of starting seeds or cuttings that comes along. That's just ONE of your 'fantasies'---along with the idea that YOU never make snide remarks. To illustrate what I mean about 'snide remarks', let's look at what you posted when I was asking folks here to recommend some good nurseries selling brugs:

"There are many I would recommend but again I think my list is private and if it's requested, I might share."

To me, this implies that most of us here aren't WORTHY of this info, and that you expect people to grovel at the feet of the All-Wise KHT just to get a list of nurseries SHE favors. If you actally have some nurseries to recommend, why not just POST the damned list and be done with it???

Back when I first met you on-line, I was impressed with your knowledge, your intelligence, AND your graciousness.What happened? Where did that graciousness go? It seems that I'm NOT the only one unhappy with your behaviour on this forum. Maybe it's time for you to take a 'time out' until you can play well with others.

Enough said,so if you can't answer or address nicely,Please don't say anything at all.I'm here to learn and share from the good folks who are as passionate as I have come to be.This time I will remain posting here asking questions and making friends and I will just hope that you will have a miraculous attitude adjustment:)***Suzanne

KHT- This is my first time on the forum regarding this subject and I must say I am quite disturbed with the he said she said bantoring that is going on. I truly just wanted to get information on the actual subject that was posted. Please consider the people who are not part of the circle of BS and do your airing in emails to these people individual and not bring the whole forum into it.

Please leave the politics for someplace else and let the new people to this forum get the information that they want and need so they to can enjoy the amazing, exciting and relaxing world of gardening and not a bunch of BS that I neither want to hear or know.

Thank you.

suzannesks do you still happent to have the list of nurseries you ordered from. With six kids I can not afford to have the little money I set aside for gardening go in the toilet because of a bad buy. I fell in love with Brugs last year on a garden tour and we have decided to add them to our garden this year.

Thank you :0)
Tammy

This is my first time to this forum and am very disappointed at all of the backbiting. It is not like this on the other websites that I have been on.

Tammy, I ordered started plants. And I ordered from Country Gardens & Seed Sprout. I do have to say,that when I ordered them because of where I live and the weather here I stated that I could care for them now because of grenhouses.So with that they sent them right away. And both places sent beautiful,healthy plants.I ordered (10) plants and all 10 not a leaf was lost.They were packed with care.So for me,I will certainly order from them again.***Suzanne

Tammy, what part of Tennessee do you live in? If it is convenient for you to attend one of the spring swaps, you might find brugs available.

Tammy, there will definitely be brugs available at the Mid-Tenn Plant Swap, on Saturday, May 20th. Check out the Tennesse forum for details on where the swap is help.